Rocket Bob

The original contract??? I made more than a current 767 Captain as a 4th year 767 FO back in 2003!!! You'll never see that original contract at any airline in the next 10 years minimum. I kept my last paystub before we took the 32% hit just so I could look at it later and laugh...

dtfl

And the original contract is not sustainable in this day and age. We'd force ourselves right back into BK!

FliFast

Post a loss when you need to break the kneecaps of the employees, and post a profit when management needs to justify their pay stubs.

The title CFO should be replaced with "Head Magician".

Hopefully, the good folks at Delta can breath a sigh of relief after all the sacrifices.

Tomcat

It's hard to say what the environment is going to be in 2-3 years. I do think we'll hit the financial tartgets to get our 6% raises each of the next couple of years and that will be a basis from which to begin negotiations. Let's see how American does...... What's happening to Southwest, seems like they're losing traction? Not that I believe that's a good thing. I'd rather them set the bar high for the industry than have to lower it.

The other biggy in my own world is the 100 seat aircraft. If management tries to outsource those pilot seats to contract carriers, I don't see that as being beneficial to anyone in the industry and would continue to be a downward spiral. The Union say we'll get them, the company says will get them, but just can't seem to find the right airframe. Not that I don't trust anyone, the 2 1/2 furlough has left me a little cautious about peoples words and more comfortable with their actions.

In the mean time, I keep my network dusted off and am always prepared to move to another position or endeavor whether it's in aviation or not. My aviation career can't take another 9/11 event.
V/R, Tomcat

Deez340

Rodge'. Its funny we used to fly 100 seat jets all the time (dc-9, 73-200) burning twice the fuel for twice the pay. i think we'll get them. I hope Boeing can deliver a superior product and we can get decent pay to fly them. I'll walk before I'll let them contract it out. we've got to draw the scope line somewhere. i really hope it all works out.

stickwiggler

Exactly! add in the fuzzy math of the "one time expense" and things are a long way from golden.

Bucking Bar

Deez, I agree with you. I think ALPA would be well advised to reach across the line to the regional MECs and try to work something out to get the 90/76 seaters and their pilots back on mainline's property. Management seems to see the 76 seat jets with first class as a reasonable alternative to a 100 seat jet.

Eventually it ALL needs to be at mainline. One brand, one list.

jonnyjetprop

IMHO, ALPA should be pushing for a flow up/flow down aggreement between the major and its regional affiates. Let the regional be the entry point for a pilot at Delta, United, etc. The major is always fully staffed and folks will be flocking to the regionals. ALPA then can work on improving life at both ends of the food chain.

Deez340

I agree with some version on this. If we had stuck together and drawn a line in the sand that no jet will be flown by anyone but ALPA main-list pilots we would have been a lot better off. I think some ego's played into the scope rules. (let them have those little jets) we lost control. Since the toothpaste is out of the tube unity is the only way to fix it. although since the scope clauses survived bankruptcy and all the market growth will be in segments we own, (above 76 seats) then maybe the marketplace will save us from our previous poor decision making. At any rate ALPA has done a horrible job representing regional pilots and can't serve both when they have conflicting interest. Unity is key to ending the whipsawing and raising the profession out of the doldrums.