The pilot shortage is over:
04-23-2024, 07:37 AM
#491
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Jul 2022
Position: 787 FO
Posts: 634
You certainly don't and your anti-ALPA (anti-union) and anti-diversity views are equally obvious. Better luck picking a a better time to ankle-bite ALPA given they/we just delivered massive contractual gains leading (DALPA) the latest pattern bargaining and returning $50M in dues. You're welcome. It's amusing watching folks torture logic and fight their obvious cognitive dissonance. Good luck with that.
04-23-2024, 07:43 AM
#492
Line Holder
Joined APC: Sep 2023
Posts: 29
Actually, I owned my position even back in the day, and yes, it was purely for selfish reasons. At least I have no qualms admitting I held a position for self-serving reasons. Now, it really doesn't matter to me, but I enjoy exposing the likes of you for being hypocrites, and the pretzel-twisting, emotional pleas and guilt-trips are indeed comical and very cheap entertainment. See... all you need to do to shut me up is admit what I did back in the day - I want senior people out so I can advance and get mine. It's THAT simple. The pretzel, however, is comical.
Some of us consider more than just "looking out for #1."
04-23-2024, 07:53 AM
#493
Gets Weekend Reserve
Joined APC: Jul 2007
Posts: 3,764
You certainly don't and your anti-ALPA (anti-union) and anti-diversity views are equally obvious. Better luck picking a a better time to ankle-bite ALPA given they/we just delivered massive contractual gains leading (DALPA) the latest pattern bargaining and returning $50M in dues. You're welcome. It's amusing watching folks torture logic and fight their obvious cognitive dissonance. Good luck with that.
Oh absolutely... just as long as "more than just looking out for #1" doesn't come at the #1's expense, right?
04-23-2024, 08:03 AM
#494
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: May 2023
Posts: 502
There are indeed winners and losers. What do you call a guy who gets hired at a legacy who happens to be over 60? We've had plenty of those around lately. It's just not nearly as simple as you make it out to be and 2 years, especially when we don't have thousands of furloughed pilots doesn't even register on my give-a-sh!t-meter. See my reply to Sliceback below. There are far bigger threats to your (and mine) career advancement than potential 2 more years at the top or getting "stagnated" in today's environment.
I'm not interested in what my, your, or anyone else's subjective opinion is. If the argument for changing the age to 67 was convincing enough to warrant a change from 65, I would not have a problem with that. The fact of the matter is there were real reasons for changing the age to 65 (hard to defend forcing people to retire before they can claim social security and get medicare, 65 aligned with ICAO standards) that don't apply to age 67.
It also doesn't matter if there is a guy who joined when he was 60 or is prior military. Not only did they know the deal (age 65) when they got into aviation, but it has nothing to do with why age 65 exists in the first place. It's there to protect the general public. I have yet to hear arguments from anyone, without any emotion involved, as to why the age should change.
04-23-2024, 08:31 AM
#495
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Joined APC: Jul 2007
Posts: 3,764
You can't fathom that someone would have an opinion on this based on rational reasons as opposed to purely self-serving reasons. My official positions are that: A) the "new guys" are not the biggest losers, so there does not need to be such a fierce "us vs them" discussion and B) That you need a reasonable argument in order to change the status quo on anything in life.
But of course, it's never our side that's selfish. It's always the other side, right?
I'm not interested in what my, your, or anyone else's subjective opinion is. If the argument for changing the age to 67 was convincing enough to warrant a change from 65, I would not have a problem with that. The fact of the matter is there were real reasons for changing the age to 65 (hard to defend forcing people to retire before they can claim social security and get medicare, 65 aligned with ICAO standards) that don't apply to age 67.
It also doesn't matter if there is a guy who joined when he was 60 or is prior military. Not only did they know the deal (age 65) when they got into aviation, but it has nothing to do with why age 65 exists in the first place. It's there to protect the general public. I have yet to hear arguments from anyone, without any emotion involved, as to why the age should change.
It also doesn't matter if there is a guy who joined when he was 60 or is prior military. Not only did they know the deal (age 65) when they got into aviation, but it has nothing to do with why age 65 exists in the first place. It's there to protect the general public. I have yet to hear arguments from anyone, without any emotion involved, as to why the age should change.
I can tell you both sides of the fence have an argument that they consider valid. For example, one of our arguments against raising it to Age 65 was cognitive decline in pilots. The counter to that argument is that Class 1 medical certification doesn't specify the age restriction. In fact, you can have a Class 1 medical and fly for JSX as a captain while being over 65.... as long as you can hold Class 1 medical.
So which is it? Or better yet, which side of the money grab do you align with and then for how long? Note those Flightinfo.com links I posted? Find Andy's posts... look at how rabidly he went after a senior United captain who had since passed away. Now, look at how his position evolved once he is upon his career sunset years. Principles? Safety? No... it's politics and money grab. Pick your side of the coin.
04-23-2024, 08:38 AM
#496
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Jul 2022
Position: 787 FO
Posts: 634
April 19, 2024
Fellow ALPA pilots,
When I took office last January, one of my highest priorities was to achieve the industry-leading contracts that you have earned through your hard work, professionalism, and commitment to safety. The year 2023 was a monumental one in our union’s history. We battled hard and negotiated new contracts for several of our pilot groups, many with significant pay and quality-of-life improvements. Together, you showed unparalleled resolve and unity to secure those new contracts and put in the hard work required to raise the bar for our profession. While we acknowledge these significant gains that resulted in a record amount of revenue for the association, ALPA continues to dedicate all needed resources to the 16 carriers that remain in bargaining.
This week the Executive Council was hosted by the Jazz MEC in Toronto, where our agenda included over 50 items such as supporting MECs in bargaining, allowing LECs expanded use of their funds, and reaffirming ALPA’s position that a minimum of two qualified pilots on the flight deck is essential to ensure safe operations for our passengers, cargo, and fellow crewmembers.
Perhaps most notably to you, our members, is that in response to the record 2023 revenue gains, and after a thorough review of our finances by the Structure, Services, and Finance Review (SSAFR) Committee, the Executive Council approved returning $50 million (CAD $69 million) in surplus funds to our members from ALPA national. The SSAFR Committee and the Executive Council will continue their top-down review on recommendations for long-term policy changes related to Association finances, appropriate reserve levels, projected surpluses, and dues rates.
This first-of-its-kind across-the-board dues return represents nearly 30 percent of your dues that went to national, and almost 16 percent of total dues. The money will come entirely from ALPA’s national funds and does not inhibit individual MECs from offering their own refunds of significant MEC account surpluses, if eligible. This national dues refund will be offered to all U.S. and Canadian members based on their pro rata dues paid in 2023.
Look for more information in the near future about the timing and process for you to receive your portion of the refund. We are completing the annual financial audit and expect to offer the payments this summer. Future messages will explain how to ensure that we have your current mailing address and how you can, at your option, opt-in to have the payment electronically deposited into your account. ALPA will need to have at least one of these pieces of current information in order for you to receive the funds.
Because we never forget that this is a pilot-led organization, we are constantly working to provide the highest level of services and resources while balancing responsible use of your dues dollars, and your ALPA membership will always work as an investment in strengthening the future of your career—and our profession. I thank our national officer team for sharing the belief and commend the Executive Council for upholding the fundamental responsibility entrusted to us, which is to be good fiduciaries of your money—a responsibility we take seriously. As always, we will ensure that your dues continue to be the best investment in your career that you ever make.
In unity,
Capt. Jason Ambrosi
President
Air Line Pilots Association, Int'l
04-23-2024, 08:56 AM
#497
Gets Weekend Reserve
Joined APC: Jul 2007
Posts: 3,764
His ability to project is impressive and his attacks on ALPA are comically tortured. Methinks he doth protest WAYYYY too much.
April 19, 2024
Fellow ALPA pilots,
When I took office last January, one of my highest priorities was to achieve the industry-leading contracts that you have earned through your hard work, professionalism, and commitment to safety. The year 2023 was a monumental one in our union’s history. We battled hard and negotiated new contracts for several of our pilot groups, many with significant pay and quality-of-life improvements. Together, you showed unparalleled resolve and unity to secure those new contracts and put in the hard work required to raise the bar for our profession. While we acknowledge these significant gains that resulted in a record amount of revenue for the association, ALPA continues to dedicate all needed resources to the 16 carriers that remain in bargaining.
This week the Executive Council was hosted by the Jazz MEC in Toronto, where our agenda included over 50 items such as supporting MECs in bargaining, allowing LECs expanded use of their funds, and reaffirming ALPA’s position that a minimum of two qualified pilots on the flight deck is essential to ensure safe operations for our passengers, cargo, and fellow crewmembers.
Perhaps most notably to you, our members, is that in response to the record 2023 revenue gains, and after a thorough review of our finances by the Structure, Services, and Finance Review (SSAFR) Committee, the Executive Council approved returning $50 million (CAD $69 million) in surplus funds to our members from ALPA national. The SSAFR Committee and the Executive Council will continue their top-down review on recommendations for long-term policy changes related to Association finances, appropriate reserve levels, projected surpluses, and dues rates.
This first-of-its-kind across-the-board dues return represents nearly 30 percent of your dues that went to national, and almost 16 percent of total dues. The money will come entirely from ALPA’s national funds and does not inhibit individual MECs from offering their own refunds of significant MEC account surpluses, if eligible. This national dues refund will be offered to all U.S. and Canadian members based on their pro rata dues paid in 2023.
Look for more information in the near future about the timing and process for you to receive your portion of the refund. We are completing the annual financial audit and expect to offer the payments this summer. Future messages will explain how to ensure that we have your current mailing address and how you can, at your option, opt-in to have the payment electronically deposited into your account. ALPA will need to have at least one of these pieces of current information in order for you to receive the funds.
Because we never forget that this is a pilot-led organization, we are constantly working to provide the highest level of services and resources while balancing responsible use of your dues dollars, and your ALPA membership will always work as an investment in strengthening the future of your career—and our profession. I thank our national officer team for sharing the belief and commend the Executive Council for upholding the fundamental responsibility entrusted to us, which is to be good fiduciaries of your money—a responsibility we take seriously. As always, we will ensure that your dues continue to be the best investment in your career that you ever make.
In unity,
Capt. Jason Ambrosi
President
Air Line Pilots Association, Int'l
April 19, 2024
Fellow ALPA pilots,
When I took office last January, one of my highest priorities was to achieve the industry-leading contracts that you have earned through your hard work, professionalism, and commitment to safety. The year 2023 was a monumental one in our union’s history. We battled hard and negotiated new contracts for several of our pilot groups, many with significant pay and quality-of-life improvements. Together, you showed unparalleled resolve and unity to secure those new contracts and put in the hard work required to raise the bar for our profession. While we acknowledge these significant gains that resulted in a record amount of revenue for the association, ALPA continues to dedicate all needed resources to the 16 carriers that remain in bargaining.
This week the Executive Council was hosted by the Jazz MEC in Toronto, where our agenda included over 50 items such as supporting MECs in bargaining, allowing LECs expanded use of their funds, and reaffirming ALPA’s position that a minimum of two qualified pilots on the flight deck is essential to ensure safe operations for our passengers, cargo, and fellow crewmembers.
Perhaps most notably to you, our members, is that in response to the record 2023 revenue gains, and after a thorough review of our finances by the Structure, Services, and Finance Review (SSAFR) Committee, the Executive Council approved returning $50 million (CAD $69 million) in surplus funds to our members from ALPA national. The SSAFR Committee and the Executive Council will continue their top-down review on recommendations for long-term policy changes related to Association finances, appropriate reserve levels, projected surpluses, and dues rates.
This first-of-its-kind across-the-board dues return represents nearly 30 percent of your dues that went to national, and almost 16 percent of total dues. The money will come entirely from ALPA’s national funds and does not inhibit individual MECs from offering their own refunds of significant MEC account surpluses, if eligible. This national dues refund will be offered to all U.S. and Canadian members based on their pro rata dues paid in 2023.
Look for more information in the near future about the timing and process for you to receive your portion of the refund. We are completing the annual financial audit and expect to offer the payments this summer. Future messages will explain how to ensure that we have your current mailing address and how you can, at your option, opt-in to have the payment electronically deposited into your account. ALPA will need to have at least one of these pieces of current information in order for you to receive the funds.
Because we never forget that this is a pilot-led organization, we are constantly working to provide the highest level of services and resources while balancing responsible use of your dues dollars, and your ALPA membership will always work as an investment in strengthening the future of your career—and our profession. I thank our national officer team for sharing the belief and commend the Executive Council for upholding the fundamental responsibility entrusted to us, which is to be good fiduciaries of your money—a responsibility we take seriously. As always, we will ensure that your dues continue to be the best investment in your career that you ever make.
In unity,
Capt. Jason Ambrosi
President
Air Line Pilots Association, Int'l
Good boy!!! Overlook recent ALPA transgressions because they refunded a chunk of their dues because they faced a lawsuit. Amazing how some folks are easily bought and how quickly they forget... Or were you even around back then and if so, did you pay any attention? Not to say ALPA couldn't have evolved, but that it turned its back on the majority of its members is undeniable, and I won't even go into the whole RJ fiasco which is another discussion altogether.
Now tell me more about being anti-diversity... that one was hilarious. And BTW... did you know that your predecessors used similar emotional-invoking words to describe those on the opposite side of the political argument, except theirs were anti-people, anti-worker, anti-proletariat, counter to the Revolution, etc.?
04-23-2024, 09:21 AM
#498
Bent over by buybacks
Joined APC: Feb 2017
Posts: 777
Actually, I owned my position even back in the day, and yes, it was purely for selfish reasons. At least I have no qualms admitting I held a position for self-serving reasons. Now, it really doesn't matter to me, but I enjoy exposing the likes of you for being hypocrites, and the pretzel-twisting, emotional pleas and guilt-trips are indeed comical and very cheap entertainment. See... all you need to do to shut me up is admit what I did back in the day - I want senior people out so I can advance and get mine. It's THAT simple. The pretzel, however, is comical.
There are indeed winners and losers. What do you call a guy who gets hired at a legacy who happens to be over 60? We've had plenty of those around lately. It's just not nearly as simple as you make it out to be and 2 years, especially when we don't have thousands of furloughed pilots doesn't even register on my give-a-sh!t-meter. See my reply to Sliceback below. There are far bigger threats to your (and mine) career advancement than potential 2 more years at the top or getting "stagnated" in today's environment.
Sure... but also how many guys you know end up on LTD for years missing out on years of income and retirement contributions because of a health issue that actually may benefit from staying a tad longer? How long does it take to come back after a heart attack? Or how about some other health issues? I have a friend who got into a car accident... took him almost 3 years to get back to flying 121. What did that cost him? Care to guess how long it takes for the FAA to process SI these days?
On the other side of the coin, I have flown with captains at Southwest who would gripe with the best of them, yet the worst thing that ever happened in their 25+ year career was...... what? A merger where they came out on top? They certainly outearned their legacy peers by leaps and bounds, and all while the rest of the industry lost half our pay, lost our pensions, saw stagnation due to age 60 getting unstatus-quoed, etc. etc. There is no such thing as cookie-cutter career that everyone feels they're entitled to, but collectively, we sure can whine with the best.
Again, I take no position on Age 67. I did have one on Age 60 and by God did I own it. I do, however, take position on exposing the hypocrisy on both sides and I acknowledge that both sides have an argument for their position, but those are based on their self-interests and their own priorities and not some virtue, safety, or well-being of the profession. It is downright comical how people have a hard time admitting their own selfishness, self-centeredness, and their own greed because somehow, that's not virtuous or "nice." But sure is hypocritical.
There are indeed winners and losers. What do you call a guy who gets hired at a legacy who happens to be over 60? We've had plenty of those around lately. It's just not nearly as simple as you make it out to be and 2 years, especially when we don't have thousands of furloughed pilots doesn't even register on my give-a-sh!t-meter. See my reply to Sliceback below. There are far bigger threats to your (and mine) career advancement than potential 2 more years at the top or getting "stagnated" in today's environment.
Sure... but also how many guys you know end up on LTD for years missing out on years of income and retirement contributions because of a health issue that actually may benefit from staying a tad longer? How long does it take to come back after a heart attack? Or how about some other health issues? I have a friend who got into a car accident... took him almost 3 years to get back to flying 121. What did that cost him? Care to guess how long it takes for the FAA to process SI these days?
On the other side of the coin, I have flown with captains at Southwest who would gripe with the best of them, yet the worst thing that ever happened in their 25+ year career was...... what? A merger where they came out on top? They certainly outearned their legacy peers by leaps and bounds, and all while the rest of the industry lost half our pay, lost our pensions, saw stagnation due to age 60 getting unstatus-quoed, etc. etc. There is no such thing as cookie-cutter career that everyone feels they're entitled to, but collectively, we sure can whine with the best.
Again, I take no position on Age 67. I did have one on Age 60 and by God did I own it. I do, however, take position on exposing the hypocrisy on both sides and I acknowledge that both sides have an argument for their position, but those are based on their self-interests and their own priorities and not some virtue, safety, or well-being of the profession. It is downright comical how people have a hard time admitting their own selfishness, self-centeredness, and their own greed because somehow, that's not virtuous or "nice." But sure is hypocritical.
Status quo hurts no one.
04-23-2024, 09:40 AM
#499
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Jul 2022
Position: 787 FO
Posts: 634
$54B in airline Covid bailouts. Lobbying led by AFA and ALPA PAC.
11/2/22 94% of United pilots reject Tumi TA
3/1/23 Delta pilot contract
8/21/23 American pilot contract to match Delta
9/29/23 United pilot contract to match Delta
1/22/24 Southwest pilot contract
In total $40B in increased contractual improvements for largest four US airlines led by DALPA
ALPA refunds $50M in dues to pilots
11/2/22 94% of United pilots reject Tumi TA
3/1/23 Delta pilot contract
8/21/23 American pilot contract to match Delta
9/29/23 United pilot contract to match Delta
1/22/24 Southwest pilot contract
In total $40B in increased contractual improvements for largest four US airlines led by DALPA
ALPA refunds $50M in dues to pilots
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