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Old 04-16-2024, 12:22 PM
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Originally Posted by Andy
I'd like to hear what your TX source has to say about the Mayorkas impeachment/possible tabling.
Here's an article that sums up the GOP's leverage (it's all about the 2024 elections): https://www.politico.com/news/2024/0...trial-00151371
This could be a non-issue tomorrow if Mayorkas simply resigns and I don't rule that out as a possibility, as it would eliminate the need for Sens Tester, Brown, Rosen and a few others to go on record on the subject. As of now, it looks like Mayorkas will remain in office with no indication of submitting his resignation. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=77zUN4QWVJ0
Thank goodness Mayorkas is keeping the border secure.
He did say the FAA Reauthorization "might have another short extension", amounting to weeks.
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Old 04-16-2024, 12:28 PM
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The dancing you’ll do over furloughed and job seeking pilots will all be worth it if passed.
Here are the latest TSA passenger volume numbers. https://www.tsa.gov/travel/passenger-volumes

There are more passengers, not less. Are you predicting a dropoff in passenger travel that has yet to occur? Granted, it will happen at some point. Maybe tomorrow, but so far there's no sign of any reduction in passenger traffic.
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Old 04-16-2024, 01:16 PM
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Originally Posted by Andy
Here are the latest TSA passenger volume numbers. https://www.tsa.gov/travel/passenger-volumes

There are more passengers, not less. Are you predicting a dropoff in passenger travel that has yet to occur? Granted, it will happen at some point. Maybe tomorrow, but so far there's no sign of any reduction in passenger traffic.
The bottleneck for employment is soft cargo demand, unprofitable smaller airlines, and delays in aircraft deliveries driving a pilot surplus. Yes there is a surplus again. Applicant pools are full and poolies are waiting 7-9 months for class. You can add 2 years to that figure with 67. All WITHOUT a drop in demand. What am I missing?

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Old 04-16-2024, 02:53 PM
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Originally Posted by PineappleXpres
The bottleneck for employment is soft cargo demand, unprofitable smaller airlines, and delays in aircraft deliveries driving a pilot surplus. Yes there is a surplus again. Applicant pools are full and poolies are waiting 7-9 months for class. You can add 2 years to that figure with 67. All WITHOUT a drop in demand. What am I missing?
I'll believe the pilot shortage is over when airlines stop hiring
1) pilots with multiple pink slips
2) pilots with less than 4000hrs
3) pilots with DUIs and are enrolled in HIMS
4) Pilots without a college degree
5) pilots with green cards

There's never a shortage of pilots. All you need to do is change minimum qualifications. And I don't know of any time that the minimum qualifications have been lower than now.
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Old 04-16-2024, 07:51 PM
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Originally Posted by Andy
I'll believe the pilot shortage is over when airlines stop hiring
1) pilots with multiple pink slips
2) pilots with less than 4000hrs
3) pilots with DUIs and are enrolled in HIMS
4) Pilots without a college degree
5) pilots with green cards

There's never a shortage of pilots. All you need to do is change minimum qualifications. And I don't know of any time that the minimum qualifications have been lower than now.
Other than #1, none of the metrics you've mentioned would make someone a less competent pilot. Do you actually have any data on current airline hiring qualifications? If so, let's see it.
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Old 04-16-2024, 07:54 PM
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Originally Posted by Andy
I'll believe the pilot shortage is over when airlines stop hiring
1) pilots with multiple pink slips
2) pilots with less than 4000hrs
3) pilots with DUIs and are enrolled in HIMS
4) Pilots without a college degree
5) pilots with green cards

There's never a shortage of pilots. All you need to do is change minimum qualifications. And I don't know of any time that the minimum qualifications have been lower than now.
So what it sounds like is there is no shortage, but historically there was a massive surplus that resulted in artificially high minimum qualifications?
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Old 04-17-2024, 04:13 AM
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Originally Posted by Andy
I don't know of any time that the minimum qualifications have been lower than now.
The jet boom (1965–1968)

People like Juan Trippe of Pan Am and Howard Hughes of TWA had no intention of inaugurating a pilot shortage when they began buying jets in the late 1950s. But these whisper-quiet magic carpets caught on quickly with a newly affluent flying public, beginning an era of glamorous travel, with Sinatra crooning "Come Fly With Me" in the background. The airlines hired pilots as fast as they ordered jets. United famously hired zero-time college graduates and paid for their training—from scratch!

http://www3.alpa.org/portals/alpa/magazine/2001/Feb2001_ShortHistory.htm#:~:text=The%20jet%20boom% 20(1965–1968)&text=The%20airlines%20hired%20pilots %20as,with%20the%20coming%20of%20jets.
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The jet boom (1965–1968)

People like Juan Trippe of Pan Am and Howard Hughes of TWA had no intention of inaugurating a pilot shortage when they began buying jets in the late 1950s. But these whisper-quiet magic carpets caught on quickly with a newly affluent flying public, beginning an era of glamorous travel, with Sinatra crooning "Come Fly With Me" in the background. The airlines hired pilots as fast as they ordered jets. United famously hired zero-time college graduates and paid for their training—from scratch!

http://www3.alpa.org/portals/alpa/magazine/2001/Feb2001_ShortHistory.htm#:~:text=The%20jet%20boom% 20(1965–1968)&text=The%20airlines%20hired%20pilots %20as,with%20the%20coming%20of%20jets.
Yep, and the airline he works for is hiring people who are ALREADY airline pilots flying jets through the same airports. That or they're from the military. No lack of highly qualified pilots and that's why I asked him for data to support his claim. He doesn't have any.
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Old 04-17-2024, 03:31 PM
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Nope, I have a local Texas source.
Oh, you mean the lone congressman pushing his DL-pilot brother’s nepotistic self-interest? Who you probably think did a bang up job at the commerce committee meeting (to which he’s not even a member, but pushed his way in), where he was literally the only one to bring up 67, and came back to it again and again, 7 separate times? That guy?

Thats like taking Cousin Eddie’s word he’ll pay Clark back for buying his kids’ Christmas gifts…
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Old 04-17-2024, 03:54 PM
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Originally Posted by FangsF15
Oh, you mean the lone congressman pushing his DL-pilot brother’s nepotistic self-interest? Who you probably think did a bang up job at the commerce committee meeting (to which he’s not even a member, but pushed his way in), where he was literally the only one to bring up 67, and came back to it again and again, 7 separate times? That guy?

Thats like taking Cousin Eddie’s word he’ll pay Clark back for buying his kids’ Christmas gifts…
You left off his distinguished police service record where he was terminated for “destruction of evidence.” Seems to be honest and reliable enough to be the sole source of information.
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