Originally Posted by ImSoSuss

Can't argue with that, some good advice.


To the or anybody else applying to their forever airline, these app reviews are essential and well worth the money. They know what the computers look at, will automatically reject, or how to phrase issues you may have had in the past (like checkride failure(s), speeding tickets, etc.). Well worth the money and peace of mind knowing that if you are not getting a call right away it is not because of some error or bad wording on your app.

Originally Posted by CatPilot1

This right here is scary. (Underlined portion). The comments above the underlined are also frightening. This entire post gives ammo to why the 1500hr rule is not necessary.(It is though, to weed out the 3 month ATP pilot zero to hero guy early 2000’s pilot mill). It should take perseverance beyond 3 months for an entry level 121 job). To publicly equate a 10k/20k hour pilot on equal footing with a low time ‘paid for prep’ amazing TMAAT story pilot is a disservice to our industry. Doctors/Lawyers, whom we like to compare ourselves to; aren’t hired this way by patients, defendants, or companies. (I researched the number of surgeries my knee doctor completed.) These hiring practices besmirch our profession. I guess what we might be admitting to is piloting 121 pax jets these days is so safe we probably can elevate interview prep jockeys over experience. Maybe it’s worked so far, because we still have enough experienced based hired pilots in the left seat. I get it, at some point the experience level of the surgeon that operates on your knee won’t matter either, their job becomes monitor of the surgical robot. The bed side manner of the Surgeon autopilot robot monitor will become what’s important. How to nail the Bed Side Manner interview prep, will become the doctors fate too. If current aviators put up with current airline HR hiring methods emphasizing ‘interview pay prep/resume bogus enhancements/ social victimhood status/ over flying experience, we deserve the eventual single pilot ops the aircraft manufacturers/airline employers are selling to the public as safe. If experienced practitioners in a field are easily replaced by novice entrants routinely over a period of time, and continually proven to not effect safety; can that field of work be considered a profession?

Originally Posted by Meme In Command

You're assuming experience is the end-all-be-all criteria, and while it's important it still has many pitfalls. You can have 2 10k hr pilots with wildly different levels of experience. Is a 2-3k hr regional pilot flying 5-leg days in and out of the Northeast less experienced than the 10k hr pilot who's been dozin for dollars over the Atlantic only doing JFK to LHR? To quote the motorcycle safety course instructor: "there's people with 20 years of experience, and there's people with 1 year of experience repeated 20 times".

What about career military pilots who you often find finish a 20 year career with less than 5k hrs? I think the airlines realized there's more things that also matter. They don't wanna hire the grinch that just boards the main cabin door and turns left. We are also to an extent customer-facing employees.

At the end of the day the interview gets you the job, but it's still yours to lose during training and OE.

Originally Posted by ImSoSuss

too much experience used to be a pitfall in hiring. When the Legacies were first hiring if you had over 10,000 hours you would not get the call. They thought you were untrainable. There were too many stubborn "well this is how we did it" people coming through training.

Originally Posted by ZapBrannigan

Until you have at least 20% of the seniority list below you, continue to check those boxes that will make you more employable if there’s a furlough. (More so if you’re lacking traditional qualifications such as PIC time or a degree that could be disqualifiers in a downturn)

Originally Posted by ImSoSuss

When the Legacies were first hiring if you had over 10,000 hours you would not get the call. They thought you were untrainable. There were too many stubborn "well this is how we did it" people coming through training.

Originally Posted by CatPilot1

This right here is scary. (Underlined portion). The comments above the underlined are also frightening. This entire post gives ammo to why the 1500hr rule is not necessary.(It is though, to weed out the 3 month ATP pilot zero to hero guy early 2000’s pilot mill). It should take perseverance beyond 3 months for an entry level 121 job). To publicly equate a 10k/20k hour pilot on equal footing with a low time ‘paid for prep’ amazing TMAAT story pilot is a disservice to our industry. Doctors/Lawyers, whom we like to compare ourselves to; aren’t hired this way by patients, defendants, or companies. (I researched the number of surgeries my knee doctor completed.) These hiring practices besmirch our profession. I guess what we might be admitting to is piloting 121 pax jets these days is so safe we probably can elevate interview prep jockeys over experience. Maybe it’s worked so far, because we still have enough experienced based hired pilots in the left seat. I get it, at some point the experience level of the surgeon that operates on your knee won’t matter either, their job becomes monitor of the surgical robot. The bed side manner of the Surgeon autopilot robot monitor will become what’s important. How to nail the Bed Side Manner interview prep, will become the doctors fate too. If current aviators put up with current airline HR hiring methods emphasizing ‘interview pay prep/resume bogus enhancements/ social victimhood status/ over flying experience, we deserve the eventual single pilot ops the aircraft manufacturers/airline employers are selling to the public as safe. If experienced practitioners in a field are easily replaced by novice entrants routinely over a period of time, and continually proven to not effect safety; can that field of work be considered a profession?

Originally Posted by PNWFlyer

It’s WAI morons. Women in Aviation International. You just failed your first test.

Originally Posted by Hedley

I think you missed the point. When potential employers ask candidates "why should we hire you", you can't just say "because I have several types and thousands of hours, you need me". Experience alone wont get you the job, you still have to play their games. Having a flawless application, logbooks, resume, and interview will land you the job. Of those that I've talked to who are involved in the interview process, the biggest thing that will get you a rejection letter is showing up unprepared or acting like the interview is just a formality due to your experience. When interviewing for a multimillion dollar career, you should put in the effort to nail what could potentially be your only shot. They don't owe you anything, and they will just go on to the next applicant. Not pointed directly at you, just people in general looking to gain employment at a company they plan to retire from.