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Old 03-03-2023, 05:10 PM
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Originally Posted by threeighteen

The PBGC preserves what's left and maximizes payments to those affected, which includes COLA increases, believe it or not.
I have been on the PBGC wagon for sixteen years and haven't seen a smidgen of COLA.
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Old 03-03-2023, 07:48 PM
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Originally Posted by badflaps
I have been on the PBGC wagon for sixteen years and haven't seen a smidgen of COLA.
Same here. Started drawing my USAirways PBGC in 2007. In 2023 it's still the same amount.
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Old 03-04-2023, 12:29 PM
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Originally Posted by PineappleXpres
Another DC advantage over a DB is that if you get a terminal diagnosis at 66, you can party like a rock star or give it to your heirs. DBs can be passed on with a tax advantage but the total would in most cases be less. Someone correct me if I’m wrong.

DB can generally only be passed to your spouse, not kids, etc and you typically have to opt in and accept a reduced benefit in exchange for the survivor benefit. Also there are limitationss, in some cases you must be married to that person before you actually retire. I have a buddy who's hanging on longer than he wanted to because he and the girlfriend are not sure about their future (basically not sure if they want to live in the same locations), so he's delaying retirement until they figure that out.

You probably can't import a 25 y/o east European wife and sign your pension over to her after you retire.
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Old 03-04-2023, 08:06 PM
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Originally Posted by rickair7777
DB can generally only be passed to your spouse, not kids, etc and you typically have to opt in and accept a reduced benefit in exchange for the survivor benefit. Also there are limitationss, in some cases you must be married to that person before you actually retire. I have a buddy who's hanging on longer than he wanted to because he and the girlfriend are not sure about their future (basically not sure if they want to live in the same locations), so he's delaying retirement until they figure that out.

You probably can't import a 25 y/o east European wife and sign your pension over to her after you retire.
Now that you opened that European door... If I remember correctly, KLM has 70% of last income for life, and 35% for the survivor benefits without term limits (about $100K/yr). Amazing how popular those senior WB Caps were.....
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Old 03-09-2023, 04:34 AM
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Originally Posted by hercretired
What "laws have changed" and what "better protections now" exist ?
Did you follow the American chapter 11 filing? They were unable to terminate their pension plans since they were adequately funded. In order to terminate a pension plan the company must file chapter 11. All kinds of bad things can happen in Chapter 11 as management cedes control to the creditors committee. Doug Parker came within 1 vote of snatching Delta. After filing the company has to show that “but for the pension plan” they can’t reorganize. Lastly the plan as mentioned must be severely underfunded.
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Old 03-09-2023, 02:07 PM
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Originally Posted by Myfingershurt
You’d be a fool to believe that any pension would survive if the market doesn’t keep growing. You guys act like pension managers are some kind of financial magicians that can make money appear out of nowhere just because it’s in a pension fund.
The pension manager doesn't have to make money appear out of nowhere, the company just has to contribute more which means less stock buybacks. That's the value in the pension vs a 401k.

Originally Posted by sailingfun
Did you follow the American chapter 11 filing? They were unable to terminate their pension plans since they were adequately funded. In order to terminate a pension plan the company must file chapter 11. All kinds of bad things can happen in Chapter 11 as management cedes control to the creditors committee. Doug Parker came within 1 vote of snatching Delta. After filing the company has to show that “but for the pension plan” they can’t reorganize. Lastly the plan as mentioned must be severely underfunded.
and pension funding laws were also changed to prevent underfunding.
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