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Old 01-15-2023, 04:32 PM
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Originally Posted by symbian simian
UAL 811. Plane had just under 60,000 hours. Cockpit crew had just over that, combined.

Yes, plenty of experienced guys have made mistakes.
I think you're thinking of a different flight. They received the Secretary's Award for that one.
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Old 01-15-2023, 07:14 PM
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Originally Posted by ThumbsUp
I think you're thinking of a different flight. They received the Secretary's Award for that one.
Yeah, not sure WTF he’s talking about, but UAL 811 is one of those flights that made it on the ground because of the experience and skill level of the pilots.
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Old 01-16-2023, 12:59 PM
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Originally Posted by thomaskies
European Flag Carrier 4th year Airbus FO
1.5 first months furloughed (21 months total without pay)
1.5 months leave of absence
647h block
52 700$ gross (+couple thousand per diem)
23$ hourly pay
Grinded in the summer while finishing a degree
Some turboprop flying on the side not included
Excited for the new CBA and 5th year 31$ hourly

In other news, looking to sell my left nut for Permanent Residency (provided I can keep my Class 1).
No problem. Orchiectomy is not disqualifying unless performed with gender reassignment.
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Old 01-17-2023, 09:18 AM
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I'll chime in from the neglected step-child side of the aviation industry. 135/133 (longline) utility/firefighting helicopter work. 15+ years.

$170,000 base pay
$11,700 flight + bonus pay
$1900 per diem
$5000 IRA 3% match
$188,600 Total gross compensation

Slow fire year so only about 300 hours flown. Schedule is terrible when it exists at all, work 200+ days a year usually. Flying can be good fun but still question my career choices. Mostly due to losing a few good friends to crashes. An impossible task to improve the safety of these contraptions to anywhere near 121 safety. I'm glad y'all keep pushing for better pay and QoL because it has slowly forced our industry to adjust too.
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Old 01-17-2023, 06:36 PM
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Originally Posted by TheBlueGuy
I'll chime in from the neglected step-child side of the aviation industry. 135/133 (longline) utility/firefighting helicopter work. 15+ years.

$170,000 base pay
$11,700 flight + bonus pay
$1900 per diem
$5000 IRA 3% match
$188,600 Total gross compensation

Slow fire year so only about 300 hours flown. Schedule is terrible when it exists at all, work 200+ days a year usually. Flying can be good fun but still question my career choices. Mostly due to losing a few good friends to crashes. An impossible task to improve the safety of these contraptions to anywhere near 121 safety. I'm glad y'all keep pushing for better pay and QoL because it has slowly forced our industry to adjust too.
Stay safe out there. You guys do extremely important but quite dangerous work, often in very austere environments. I always laugh when fellow airline pilots tell me how tough we have it.

signed,
a prior rotorhead that jumped to the 121 world.
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Old 01-17-2023, 07:14 PM
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Originally Posted by TheBlueGuy
I'll chime in from the neglected step-child side of the aviation industry. 135/133 (longline) utility/firefighting helicopter work. 15+ years.

$170,000 base pay
$11,700 flight + bonus pay
$1900 per diem
$5000 IRA 3% match
$188,600 Total gross compensation

Slow fire year so only about 300 hours flown. Schedule is terrible when it exists at all, work 200+ days a year usually. Flying can be good fun but still question my career choices. Mostly due to losing a few good friends to crashes. An impossible task to improve the safety of these contraptions to anywhere near 121 safety. I'm glad y'all keep pushing for better pay and QoL because it has slowly forced our industry to adjust too.
Thanks for sharing. Interesting. Why not come on over to the 121(boring) side?
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Old 01-17-2023, 08:13 PM
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Originally Posted by TheBlueGuy
I'll chime in from the neglected step-child side of the aviation industry. 135/133 (longline) utility/firefighting helicopter work. 15+ years.

$170,000 base pay
$11,700 flight + bonus pay
$1900 per diem
$5000 IRA 3% match
$188,600 Total gross compensation

Slow fire year so only about 300 hours flown. Schedule is terrible when it exists at all, work 200+ days a year usually. Flying can be good fun but still question my career choices. Mostly due to losing a few good friends to crashes. An impossible task to improve the safety of these contraptions to anywhere near 121 safety. I'm glad y'all keep pushing for better pay and QoL because it has slowly forced our industry to adjust too.
As others have said, thanks for what you do for all of us. No amount of money will replace the satisfaction of an important job well done. That said, there is no shame in switching to 121 so your kids can go to the college of there choice.
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Old 01-17-2023, 08:24 PM
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Originally Posted by tnkrdrvr
As others have said, thanks for what you do for all of us. No amount of money will replace the satisfaction of an important job well done. That said, there is no shame in switching to 121 so your kids can go to the college of there choice.
I’ll gladly have a boring job that pays 300k+ a year over a fun flying job that pays crap…
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Old 01-17-2023, 08:28 PM
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Originally Posted by TheBlueGuy
I'll chime in from the neglected step-child side of the aviation industry. 135/133 (longline) utility/firefighting helicopter work. 15+ years.

$170,000 base pay
$11,700 flight + bonus pay
$1900 per diem
$5000 IRA 3% match
$188,600 Total gross compensation

Slow fire year so only about 300 hours flown. Schedule is terrible when it exists at all, work 200+ days a year usually. Flying can be good fun but still question my career choices. Mostly due to losing a few good friends to crashes. An impossible task to improve the safety of these contraptions to anywhere near 121 safety. I'm glad y'all keep pushing for better pay and QoL because it has slowly forced our industry to adjust too.
I spent a good chunk of my career working under part 137. I never made nearly the $ as you now do. I found it much more fulfilling than the 121 flying I currently do. I really miss it. Kinda feel like I sold my soul for a 16% DC.
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Old 01-17-2023, 09:04 PM
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Originally Posted by TheBlueGuy
I'll chime in from the neglected step-child side of the aviation industry. 135/133 (longline) utility/firefighting helicopter work. 15+ years.

$170,000 base pay
$11,700 flight + bonus pay
$1900 per diem
$5000 IRA 3% match
$188,600 Total gross compensation

Slow fire year so only about 300 hours flown. Schedule is terrible when it exists at all, work 200+ days a year usually. Flying can be good fun but still question my career choices. Mostly due to losing a few good friends to crashes. An impossible task to improve the safety of these contraptions to anywhere near 121 safety. I'm glad y'all keep pushing for better pay and QoL because it has slowly forced our industry to adjust too.
I know fire guys who make six figures working the fire season 2 weeks on 2 weeks off and skiing the winter on unemployment.
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