End of 2022 Salary Survey
01-12-2023, 02:45 PM
#401
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Jun 2010
Position: DOWNGRADE COMPLETE: Thanks Gary. Thanks SWAPA.
Posts: 6,783
I got my CJO and start 9 January at ATI for my first job in commercial aviation.
So let me tell you instead, how in debt I am from this venture:
Cessna 150 bought before 1 hour of airplane training: $43500
CSEL/CMEL/instruments 141 training: $36400
Petrol: $2604
Insurance: $1300 (should be partially refunded)
Profits from selling plane: $3600
Resume review: $125
Emerald coast interview prep: $400
Raven airline app review (irony not lost on me): $300
Logbook software: $300+ and 3 different ones tried. Still not sure if I like what I got.
Checkrides: $1900
ATP-CTP: $3999
ATP written and study software: $225
Starting off at a home based cargo airline I never dreamed I'd get for my first venture into this profession. Pretty damn priceless.
So let me tell you instead, how in debt I am from this venture:
Cessna 150 bought before 1 hour of airplane training: $43500
CSEL/CMEL/instruments 141 training: $36400
Petrol: $2604
Insurance: $1300 (should be partially refunded)
Profits from selling plane: $3600
Resume review: $125
Emerald coast interview prep: $400
Raven airline app review (irony not lost on me): $300
Logbook software: $300+ and 3 different ones tried. Still not sure if I like what I got.
Checkrides: $1900
ATP-CTP: $3999
ATP written and study software: $225
Starting off at a home based cargo airline I never dreamed I'd get for my first venture into this profession. Pretty damn priceless.
01-12-2023, 02:52 PM
#402
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Jun 2010
Position: DOWNGRADE COMPLETE: Thanks Gary. Thanks SWAPA.
Posts: 6,783
I got my CJO and start 9 January at ATI for my first job in commercial aviation.
So let me tell you instead, how in debt I am from this venture:
Cessna 150 bought before 1 hour of airplane training: $43500
CSEL/CMEL/instruments 141 training: $36400
Petrol: $2604
Insurance: $1300 (should be partially refunded)
Profits from selling plane: $3600
Resume review: $125
Emerald coast interview prep: $400
Raven airline app review (irony not lost on me): $300
Logbook software: $300+ and 3 different ones tried. Still not sure if I like what I got.
Checkrides: $1900
ATP-CTP: $3999
ATP written and study software: $225
Starting off at a home based cargo airline I never dreamed I'd get for my first venture into this profession. Pretty damn priceless.
So let me tell you instead, how in debt I am from this venture:
Cessna 150 bought before 1 hour of airplane training: $43500
CSEL/CMEL/instruments 141 training: $36400
Petrol: $2604
Insurance: $1300 (should be partially refunded)
Profits from selling plane: $3600
Resume review: $125
Emerald coast interview prep: $400
Raven airline app review (irony not lost on me): $300
Logbook software: $300+ and 3 different ones tried. Still not sure if I like what I got.
Checkrides: $1900
ATP-CTP: $3999
ATP written and study software: $225
Starting off at a home based cargo airline I never dreamed I'd get for my first venture into this profession. Pretty damn priceless.
01-13-2023, 04:39 AM
#403
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: May 2018
Posts: 259
01-13-2023, 08:37 AM
#404
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Jun 2010
Position: DOWNGRADE COMPLETE: Thanks Gary. Thanks SWAPA.
Posts: 6,783
You can’t blame the guy and we would have done the same thing if we had the opportunity. Personally, as long as the guy is pleasant and has a good attitude, I don’t mind the inexperience.
The least pleasant to fly with are the 10 year FOs that are totally burnt out and checked out. Of course, if the poop hits the fan I think we both know who we’d want sitting across from us.
Sorry for the thread drift.
The least pleasant to fly with are the 10 year FOs that are totally burnt out and checked out. Of course, if the poop hits the fan I think we both know who we’d want sitting across from us.
Sorry for the thread drift.
01-13-2023, 12:17 PM
#405
Line holder
Joined APC: Nov 2013
Position: On the bus,seat 0A
Posts: 3,330
You can’t blame the guy and we would have done the same thing if we had the opportunity. Personally, as long as the guy is pleasant and has a good attitude, I don’t mind the inexperience.
The least pleasant to fly with are the 10 year FOs that are totally burnt out and checked out. Of course, if the poop hits the fan I think we both know who we’d want sitting across from us.
Sorry for the thread drift.
The least pleasant to fly with are the 10 year FOs that are totally burnt out and checked out. Of course, if the poop hits the fan I think we both know who we’d want sitting across from us.
Sorry for the thread drift.
01-13-2023, 03:55 PM
#406
Tuberriffic
Joined APC: Jul 2007
Position: Hopefully the bunk
Posts: 222
A little late to the party, but if anyone's interested in some ACMI numbers:
Kalitta 747-400 CA, Year 4/5
185 days on duty, including 10 OT days
173 nights away from home, 14 vacation days used
858 hours flown / 1255 hours credit
Straight credit hours: $311,000
Total cash including per diem & 6% DC: $344,000
It's a long way from the poor house, but there are plenty of reasons attrition is driving all of the movement around here. New Guy a few posts up isn't the only one making the best of this segment of the business to build the resume and the pocketbook until something better calls.
Kalitta 747-400 CA, Year 4/5
185 days on duty, including 10 OT days
173 nights away from home, 14 vacation days used
858 hours flown / 1255 hours credit
Straight credit hours: $311,000
Total cash including per diem & 6% DC: $344,000
It's a long way from the poor house, but there are plenty of reasons attrition is driving all of the movement around here. New Guy a few posts up isn't the only one making the best of this segment of the business to build the resume and the pocketbook until something better calls.
Last edited by thepotato232; 01-13-2023 at 04:12 PM.
01-14-2023, 05:28 AM
#407
Line Holder
Joined APC: Feb 2021
Posts: 89
FedEx New Hire
Hired in the summer.
Gross......... $19,100
Net............ $16,900
401k.......... $400
Crash Pad... $2500-
Block: 40 hours
Training: 40 days worked (~4-month footprint, BI through LOE)
Post-training: 23 days worked
Total days worked: 63
Total days off: 70
Holidays off: Thanksgiving & Christmas
Gross......... $19,100
Net............ $16,900
401k.......... $400
Crash Pad... $2500-
Block: 40 hours
Training: 40 days worked (~4-month footprint, BI through LOE)
Post-training: 23 days worked
Total days worked: 63
Total days off: 70
Holidays off: Thanksgiving & Christmas
01-15-2023, 08:10 AM
#408
Line Holder
Joined APC: Nov 2015
Posts: 32
European Flag Carrier 4th year Airbus FO
1.5 first months furloughed (21 months total without pay)
1.5 months leave of absence
647h block
52 700$ gross (+couple thousand per diem)
23$ hourly pay
Grinded in the summer while finishing a degree
Some turboprop flying on the side not included
Excited for the new CBA and 5th year 31$ hourly
In other news, looking to sell my left nut for Permanent Residency (provided I can keep my Class 1).
1.5 first months furloughed (21 months total without pay)
1.5 months leave of absence
647h block
52 700$ gross (+couple thousand per diem)
23$ hourly pay
Grinded in the summer while finishing a degree
Some turboprop flying on the side not included
Excited for the new CBA and 5th year 31$ hourly
In other news, looking to sell my left nut for Permanent Residency (provided I can keep my Class 1).
01-15-2023, 09:52 AM
#409
Line holder
Joined APC: Nov 2013
Position: On the bus,seat 0A
Posts: 3,330
01-15-2023, 02:23 PM
#410
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Jun 2010
Position: DOWNGRADE COMPLETE: Thanks Gary. Thanks SWAPA.
Posts: 6,783
European Flag Carrier 4th year Airbus FO
1.5 first months furloughed (21 months total without pay)
1.5 months leave of absence
647h block
52 700$ gross (+couple thousand per diem)
23$ hourly pay
Grinded in the summer while finishing a degree
Some turboprop flying on the side not included
Excited for the new CBA and 5th year 31$ hourly
In other news, looking to sell my left nut for Permanent Residency (provided I can keep my Class 1).
1.5 first months furloughed (21 months total without pay)
1.5 months leave of absence
647h block
52 700$ gross (+couple thousand per diem)
23$ hourly pay
Grinded in the summer while finishing a degree
Some turboprop flying on the side not included
Excited for the new CBA and 5th year 31$ hourly
In other news, looking to sell my left nut for Permanent Residency (provided I can keep my Class 1).
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