symbian simian

People like you make DL a better place.

Beachboy

First, I want to apologize for hacking this thread. That was not my intent.

I love what I do and I love that I get to do it for the country I love. I have done some cool **** and have met so many amazing people so I will never regret my decision to join. I signed up for 8 years (after winging, which took me 4 long years to get) and I will serve those to my utmost. However, spending 7-10 straight months on a a piece of steel with covid "portcalls" will wear down any salty sailor.

For me its not about the insane salary numbers people are posting but the QOL the airlines seem to have. I sat next to FedEx pilot on my flight back from Christmas leave and after talking to him, the Navy is fighting a losing battle if they want pilots to stay in after their commitment. The Fedex salary and pension are almost 3x that of the military and his QOL was off the charts.

Military aviation aviation is awesome and I would recommend it to anyone that wants to serve their country, fly badass jets, and get a decent paycheck while doing it. However, their are drawbacks to it which make it not as appealing the further into you get.

Thank you all for letting me hack this thread. Definitely gives me something to look forward to, even if it is 4 years away.

John Carr

And I guess what I outlined came, way, WAYYYYYYY before your time.......

.......MESA sucks.


EXACTLY^^^^^^^

To even try to compare the 2 is, well, simply not possible.

GoodJet

AS year 5 pay FO

Flew 800hrs during 2022, very low QOL during winter and I try and work less during summer. The only way to get time off during summer is forced drops using a buddy system and vacation time if you can hold it. 55 hours of very creative sick time use.


28K DC 401K
215K not including per diem
5K per diem. I try and enjoy life on the road so this doesn't count toward much in my situation.
215K includes 22K retro pay

I did not pick up premium during contract talks but did after. Although it was generally hard to get. Our payroll system is super convoluted so it is very difficult to tell how many hours I was paid for in 2022. Currently missing at least 34 hours of pay from my January paycheck because our scheduling software does not automatically add pay for things like delay, PTD, cancelation etc. A lot of my coworkers are in this situation.

Gotta be honest I'm not very happy with the current situation.

windshearmaxthr

FedEx year 2/3 767 FO

254k

229k gross including per-diem
20.6k DC
500 401k match
4k HSA
Deteriorating pension value: ??

Avg 16 off per month, 294 block, did not work 1 month for childbirth. 0 extra flying picked up but did get multiple revisions extensions during Covid spikes so pay is inflated a bit.

e6bpilot

What I am getting at is there is no apples to apples comparison. I am sure he got tax free for part of his deployment too, but the government sticks that tax break up your butt one nickel at a time. Any pay breaks or tax advantages you earn in the military are more than canceled out by the associated pain and suffering associated with it.

Despite what some have said above, the grass is greener at the airlines. Yes, I made great memories in the military, but I wouldn't trade what I am doing now for that crap sandwich in a second. It was a means to an end. I am at my destination now. Glad I did it. Wouldn't ever go back. Do your wings plus 8 and GTFO.

Waggy122

Delta - 757 - FO Year 3 - In Base Line Holder 60-70% in seat seniority

I'll just provide the full details for 9 months of line flying from April-EOY since I was on unassigned status (UNA) and in training the first 3 months:

Total Comp 9 months: $246K
Flight Pay: $206K (1211 total cred, 181 from green slip pay)
401K: $33K
Per Diem: $5K
Shared Rewards + Special "Profit Sharing" - $2K

Total TAFB: 2,011 hours (I find this stat most relevant)
Total Days worked: 121 days - 13.5 monthly avg, 17 off
Layover Nights: 82
Block: 432

Average a 3-4 day green slip a month, 65 hours in sick used, some additional pay in scheduling shenanigans/reroute and unfortunately no OE buyoffs yet.

Fly4FunAA

As a Delta new hire it’s definitely exciting to see these posts! Any Delta widebody pilots also willing to share? Debating between 7ER, 767-400, or A350/A330. Would be interesting to see those numbers as well!

reservelyfe

This is great. But want to see more posts from <800 annual credit, no GS pilots. The ones who get their schedule, maybe swap or drop something, fly it and go home. For all these strivers online, I meet more people in person who say, "I just fly my schedule". Where's the competition to see who can make the least? Sure, you can work smarter, but that still requires effort.

Roper92

That’s me. I’ll post when I gather the info. Same company & plane and roughly same pay but spread out over 12 months instead of 9.