FAA unlikely to raise age 65
07-25-2022, 10:33 AM
#102
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The unions won't let them lower wages.
Maybe, but it is also possible that in the height of summer travel he genuinely sees this as a good move for him politically. Everyone is angry at the current state of air travel. If he introduces this legislation he can claim he is trying to do something and the Dems are blocking him. I am no fan of Graham though.
Until next year when the Republicans control the legislature. Or maybe it gets horse traded into a larger piece of legislation that will pass. They are out of the trial balloon phase of this legislation and into the "let's get attention and start raising support for it" phase.
Again, it could be horsetraded into some legislation soon. Or it could just wait until Biden loses the WH next cycle. Either way it appears to be a foregone conclusion (I could be wrong).
Again, it could be horsetraded into some legislation soon. Or it could just wait until Biden loses the WH next cycle. Either way it appears to be a foregone conclusion (I could be wrong).
07-25-2022, 10:47 AM
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The RAA is. Probably HUGE dollars. Have you seen the raises they've given to AA WO to recruit pilots? They need a labor reset so they can go back to paying D scale wages. There's no coincidence that the 3 carriers that gave the biggest raises do a ton of flying into his state.
07-25-2022, 11:04 AM
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The unions won't let them lower wages.
Maybe, but it is also possible that in the height of summer travel he genuinely sees this as a good move for him politically. Everyone is angry at the current state of air travel. If he introduces this legislation he can claim he is trying to do something and the Dems are blocking him. I am no fan of Graham though.
Until next year when the Republicans control the legislature. Or maybe it gets horse traded into a larger piece of legislation that will pass. They are out of the trial balloon phase of this legislation and into the "let's get attention and start raising support for it" phase.
Again, it could be horsetraded into some legislation soon. Or it could just wait until Biden loses the WH next cycle. Either way it appears to be a foregone conclusion (I could be wrong).
Maybe, but it is also possible that in the height of summer travel he genuinely sees this as a good move for him politically. Everyone is angry at the current state of air travel. If he introduces this legislation he can claim he is trying to do something and the Dems are blocking him. I am no fan of Graham though.
Until next year when the Republicans control the legislature. Or maybe it gets horse traded into a larger piece of legislation that will pass. They are out of the trial balloon phase of this legislation and into the "let's get attention and start raising support for it" phase.
Again, it could be horsetraded into some legislation soon. Or it could just wait until Biden loses the WH next cycle. Either way it appears to be a foregone conclusion (I could be wrong).
07-25-2022, 12:25 PM
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Can’t wait to watch the generation that held seniority in such regard happily abrogate mine by stealing my domestic trips/narrowbody bid opportunities.
“Sorry FO 01, we had to bypass the ten reserves in front of you because it’s a Canada trip and they’re all old.”
“Unable to award bid group, no legal solution for bidders junior to you (hope you enjoy nothing but Mexico City and Edmonton overnights while some 66 year old junior to you got the days off you wanted)”
It’s bad enough we let the drunks get away with not flying to Canada, except for special, one-off cases (IE the continental crew and France after the Concorde crash) or extremely oppressive foreign governments you shouldn’t be allowed to continue working at an international airline if you can’t legally fly in the countries it goes to.
edit- they only went after the mechanics.
“Sorry FO 01, we had to bypass the ten reserves in front of you because it’s a Canada trip and they’re all old.”
“Unable to award bid group, no legal solution for bidders junior to you (hope you enjoy nothing but Mexico City and Edmonton overnights while some 66 year old junior to you got the days off you wanted)”
It’s bad enough we let the drunks get away with not flying to Canada, except for special, one-off cases (
edit- they only went after the mechanics.
Last edited by 01110011; 07-25-2022 at 01:04 PM.
07-25-2022, 12:56 PM
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Can’t wait to watch the generation that held seniority in such regard happily abrogate mine by stealing my domestic trips/narrowbody bid opportunities.
“Sorry FO 01, we had to bypass the ten reserves in front of you because it’s a Canada trip and they’re all old.”
“Unable to award bid group, no legal solution for bidders junior to you (hope you enjoy nothing but Mexico City and Edmonton overnights while some 66 year old junior to you got the days off you wanted)”
It’s bad enough we let the drunks get away with not flying to Canada, except for special, one-off cases (IE the continental crew and France after the Concorde crash) or extremely oppressive foreign governments you shouldn’t be allowed to continue working at an international airline if you can’t legally fly in the countries it goes to.
“Sorry FO 01, we had to bypass the ten reserves in front of you because it’s a Canada trip and they’re all old.”
“Unable to award bid group, no legal solution for bidders junior to you (hope you enjoy nothing but Mexico City and Edmonton overnights while some 66 year old junior to you got the days off you wanted)”
It’s bad enough we let the drunks get away with not flying to Canada, except for special, one-off cases (IE the continental crew and France after the Concorde crash) or extremely oppressive foreign governments you shouldn’t be allowed to continue working at an international airline if you can’t legally fly in the countries it goes to.
I know France went after one or 2 mechanics, but why the pilots?
07-25-2022, 01:03 PM
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07-25-2022, 02:40 PM
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SWAPA in late May 2022:
"Yesterday, a strong majority of the SWAPA membership voted by a margin of 3-2 against support for any changes to the current FAA mandatory retirement age of 65. There was extraordinary interest on this issue with more than 7,200 responses. The result of the poll supports SWAPA’s current National Airline Policy(NAP), which is approved by your Board of Directors annually. Based on our Pilots’ direction, SWAPA will not support any change to the mandatory retirement age."
"Yesterday, a strong majority of the SWAPA membership voted by a margin of 3-2 against support for any changes to the current FAA mandatory retirement age of 65. There was extraordinary interest on this issue with more than 7,200 responses. The result of the poll supports SWAPA’s current National Airline Policy(NAP), which is approved by your Board of Directors annually. Based on our Pilots’ direction, SWAPA will not support any change to the mandatory retirement age."
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