CincoDeMayo

Don’t worry man, fly with me in the summer and the aircraft will stay cool cool cool. I won’t even report you for “non compliance” if you have your mask off and not putting it back on between bites and sips.

Mach86

Customer and crew comfort always comes first. If the ground AC is available and sufficient that’s fine. If not start the APU.

Some airports have restrictions on APU usage. In BCN you need to ask for an exemption from the airport authority to start the APU early. This takes 20min. So you have to be proactive and organize that when you first arrive at the airport.

There’s nothing more damaging to an airline brand than having the customers sweating and irritated before pushback.

dualinput

I don’t sweat and nor do the passengers, period. We were talking about running the apu coming in vs eng 1. Both supply air conditioning but I’ll admit the apu is better. I precool at TOD so the cabin is already cool.

On the way out if the cabin or cockpit feels at all warm I’m starting the APU, period. Unless it’s in the northern tiers that’s usually no later than the start of boarding of the human heaters. That is well within SOP.

What you are talking about is running the APU on the way in and disregarding SOP bc you think it’s safer. They have said it’s a risk they are willing to accept and so have the FEDs so there’s not much to do aside from complying and filing ASAPs and safety reports.

Now, if they hook up GPU and I shut down the engine and don’t feel ground air in a minute or two I’m starting the apu. That is well within SOP. I DH a lot and know what it’s like back there. Nothing worse than the pilots that connect to ground power and go home leaving us all to sweat it out in the back waiting to get off.

CincoDeMayo

Getting Spirit rampers to hook air up in a reasonable amount time is unheard of.

But your example, you shut down 1 and wait a few minutes, no air, you start the APU up which takes 2 minutes, and then you wait the required 3 minutes. So 7 minutes best case from engine shut down to cool air. That’s a fail. 7 minutes in summer will raise that “cold soaked” cabin of yours to 80 degrees, and contrary to what you think, passengers are sweating.

But hey, you get your merit badge and don’t commit “willful non compliance”. Cool.

dualinput

Listen man I’m back there all the time. I know what works and what doesn’t for cooling. I don’t sweat nor do the passengers. The temp knobs on my flights don’t go north of 9 o’clock ever and usually sit at full cold unless the FA complains. The cockpit being the exception. All full cold always at TOD. Whoever thought putting them at 10-11 o’clock was a good idea is an idiot.

Again, I think coming in w/o the apu and leaving eng 1 running is stupid but it’s SOP. It’s bc we had irresponsible APU usage. Read: starting the apu in the after landing flow and waiting for a gate or marshalers. Even destroying an engine with and air hose or a cone now and again, and burning fuel running eng 1 doesn’t even come close to the extra fuel burned we had w irresponsible apu usage and that’s when fuel was cheap. This is straight from a CP. if there is good reason to start the apu (no jetway driver, no ground air hooked up, etc) go right ahead but doing it just bc you know better is not a reason. Again straight from a CP.

We agree. We just disagree on how to react to a policy. Continue on doing as you do.

Foggles

How’s life in the CP office?

You’re not winning any friends here with this teacher’s pet attitude. Running an engine at the gate until GPU power is plugged with an operative APU is asinine.

Atlas Shrugged

I understood that reference.

OOfff

kinda proves my point

Atlas Shrugged

Cry me a river!

johnwick

When someone checks into a Marriott or Hilton, they expect the room to be clean and comfortable. I don’t see how a customer walking on to an airplane is any different. Run the dang APU already and stop worrying about all this “save a teaspoon of gas” jackassery. 🤦🏼‍♂️