APU fuel burn does not matter
03-17-2022, 07:02 PM
#72
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Joined APC: Sep 2012
Posts: 510
Good god people...
If the ground air is working fine, don't start the APU and waste money.
If its not working, start up the APU to make the cabin comfortable.
There are extremes on both sides. Some guys will not start the APU no matter how hot just to save a buck. Some guys will crank the APU even when the air is fine just to **** dollars down the drain for revenge for their pension.
Don't be either idiot...simple.
If the ground air is working fine, don't start the APU and waste money.
If its not working, start up the APU to make the cabin comfortable.
There are extremes on both sides. Some guys will not start the APU no matter how hot just to save a buck. Some guys will crank the APU even when the air is fine just to **** dollars down the drain for revenge for their pension.
Don't be either idiot...simple.
03-18-2022, 11:39 AM
#74
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Joined APC: Jul 2021
Posts: 1,035
That in mind if it appears that ground power AND ground air cannot be connected in a timely manner I will start the apu and shut down eng 1. The only reason we have this dumb policy is because guys were and still are starting the APU in the after landing flow and it runs while they taxi and/or wait for a gate. The other reason is they leave it running and walk away from the airplane and it runs for hours. If we started it when pulling into the gate and shut it down when power and air were connected the policy wouldn’t exist.
03-18-2022, 11:41 AM
#75
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Joined APC: Jul 2021
Posts: 1,035
Good god people...
If the ground air is working fine, don't start the APU and waste money.
If its not working, start up the APU to make the cabin comfortable.
There are extremes on both sides. Some guys will not start the APU no matter how hot just to save a buck. Some guys will crank the APU even when the air is fine just to **** dollars down the drain for revenge for their pension.
Don't be either idiot...simple.
If the ground air is working fine, don't start the APU and waste money.
If its not working, start up the APU to make the cabin comfortable.
There are extremes on both sides. Some guys will not start the APU no matter how hot just to save a buck. Some guys will crank the APU even when the air is fine just to **** dollars down the drain for revenge for their pension.
Don't be either idiot...simple.
03-18-2022, 11:46 AM
#76
That/It/Thang
Joined APC: Aug 2020
Posts: 2,909
I hate the company policy but it’s how they want it done. Willful non-compliance isn’t really a good road to go down.
That in mind if it appears that ground power AND ground air cannot be connected in a timely manner I will start the apu and shut down eng 1. The only reason we have this dumb policy is because guys were and still are starting the APU in the after landing flow and it runs while they taxi and/or wait for a gate. The other reason is they leave it running and walk away from the airplane and it runs for hours. If we started it when pulling into the gate and shut it down when power and air were connected the policy wouldn’t exist.
That in mind if it appears that ground power AND ground air cannot be connected in a timely manner I will start the apu and shut down eng 1. The only reason we have this dumb policy is because guys were and still are starting the APU in the after landing flow and it runs while they taxi and/or wait for a gate. The other reason is they leave it running and walk away from the airplane and it runs for hours. If we started it when pulling into the gate and shut it down when power and air were connected the policy wouldn’t exist.
Starting the APU at the taxi in to allow for a shut down of #1 and cool air into the cabin isn’t the same as walking away from the plane with it running, don’t act like they are comparable.
03-18-2022, 11:54 AM
#77
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Joined APC: Jul 2021
Posts: 1,035
I agree but that’s how they want it done. I cannot control an idiot on the ground doing the wrong thing.
Starting it exiting the runway and waiting for a gate is essentially the same as leaving it running while on the gate. If you want to start it start it when you’ve got the ramp crew in place to marshal you in. However it is still willful noncompliance of company policy. The policy is really stupid imo but I don’t write it and they pay me to follow it unless there is good reason not to and they feel dumbasses risking themselves or equipment being sucked into an engine is not a good reason to change it.
Starting it exiting the runway and waiting for a gate is essentially the same as leaving it running while on the gate. If you want to start it start it when you’ve got the ramp crew in place to marshal you in. However it is still willful noncompliance of company policy. The policy is really stupid imo but I don’t write it and they pay me to follow it unless there is good reason not to and they feel dumbasses risking themselves or equipment being sucked into an engine is not a good reason to change it.
03-18-2022, 12:05 PM
#78
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Joined APC: Sep 2013
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If I run the packs on the ground they're on or close to full cold.
03-18-2022, 01:02 PM
#79
That/It/Thang
Joined APC: Aug 2020
Posts: 2,909
I agree but that’s how they want it done. I cannot control an idiot on the ground doing the wrong thing.
Starting it exiting the runway and waiting for a gate is essentially the same as leaving it running while on the gate. If you want to start it start it when you’ve got the ramp crew in place to marshal you in. However it is still willful noncompliance of company policy. The policy is really stupid imo but I don’t write it and they pay me to follow it unless there is good reason not to and they feel dumbasses risking themselves or equipment being sucked into an engine is not a good reason to change it.
Starting it exiting the runway and waiting for a gate is essentially the same as leaving it running while on the gate. If you want to start it start it when you’ve got the ramp crew in place to marshal you in. However it is still willful noncompliance of company policy. The policy is really stupid imo but I don’t write it and they pay me to follow it unless there is good reason not to and they feel dumbasses risking themselves or equipment being sucked into an engine is not a good reason to change it.
I also assume you wait until the cabin is at the heat threshold be for approved early use of the APU too, not starting prior to 10 prior to push. You know, “willful noncompliance”
Merit badge for you
I won’t be uncomfortable nor the passengers.
Preaching “willful noncompliance” over and over really shows how ready for management you are. Dare I say, a “joy to fly with?”
Last edited by CincoDeMayo; 03-18-2022 at 01:35 PM.
03-18-2022, 01:25 PM
#80
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Joined APC: Mar 2017
Posts: 3,771
I can’t even hear you with that mask on. It’s willful non compliance to not wear a mask with the flight deck door open, so I’m sure you comply with that. What do you say to the FO if they are non compliant with the mask usage?
I also assume you wait until the cabin is at the heat threshold be for approved early use of the APU too, not starting prior to 10 prior to push. You know, willful noncompliance
Merit badge for you
I won’t be uncomfortable nor the passengers. Preaching “willful noncompliance” over and over really shows how ready for management you are. Dare I say, a “joy to fly with?”
I also assume you wait until the cabin is at the heat threshold be for approved early use of the APU too, not starting prior to 10 prior to push. You know, willful noncompliance
Merit badge for you
I won’t be uncomfortable nor the passengers. Preaching “willful noncompliance” over and over really shows how ready for management you are. Dare I say, a “joy to fly with?”
People worried about saving the company money yet in the same breath demand higher wages which costs the company money.
Willful noncompliance, yikes.
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