APU fuel burn does not matter
03-16-2022, 11:47 AM
#51
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That is not your concern. Your concern is the saftey and comfort of your passengers. Crunching the numbers is up to the bean counters at HQ. If you’re making your passengers warm while 10 other guys are using the APU, it negates your point anyways.
03-16-2022, 12:16 PM
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efficiency of the operation is absolutely in the job description. Nobody is suggesting that you shouldn’t make passengers comfortable
03-16-2022, 12:33 PM
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The bosses don’t work in uncomfortable offices and neither shall we. Apu on upon arrival at airplane. Ground air almost always sucks. Apu stays on upon gate arrival at the destination unless outside air temp is 50 degrees plus or minus 10. Anything else gets too hot or too cold too fast. All you wanna be managers are kidding yourselves if you think you’re doing anything except making people miserable. Marvin Mainliner personified.
03-16-2022, 04:17 PM
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Dig up your seat/longevity pay on C01, then look at what it’s worth NOW.
That $20-90 per flight is going to be peanuts compared to what the company is saving on labor.
That $20-90 per flight is going to be peanuts compared to what the company is saving on labor.
03-16-2022, 04:42 PM
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okay. What’s your point? We should just waste money and fuel to get back at them? If we run enough APU hours they’ll cave and give us c01 rates plus inflation?
03-16-2022, 04:55 PM
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I'm going to use 2019 numbers, but to put the $131M APU fuel burn in context......
We made $47B in Gross revenue in 2019. APU fuel burn is estimated at $131M.
If you make $300,000 per year, this would be an expense equal to roughly $854.
It isn't nothing, but it isn't something to kill yourself over saving a few bucks.
Yes, as pilots we see number like 131M and think "oh my god! Millions of dollars!!"
But don't forget that millions of dollars to an airline this size is a rounding error.
Cool off the cabins. Don't be ridiculous.
We made $47B in Gross revenue in 2019. APU fuel burn is estimated at $131M.
If you make $300,000 per year, this would be an expense equal to roughly $854.
It isn't nothing, but it isn't something to kill yourself over saving a few bucks.
Yes, as pilots we see number like 131M and think "oh my god! Millions of dollars!!"
But don't forget that millions of dollars to an airline this size is a rounding error.
Cool off the cabins. Don't be ridiculous.
03-16-2022, 05:21 PM
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03-16-2022, 05:22 PM
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The point is that customers or crew should never be even slightly hot or cold. If the company doesn’t provide ground equipment that actually works, or if they don’t train ground crews to quickly establish air and ground power so that we can shut the APU off, then it just isn’t our problem. I can’t count the times that I’ve left the plane with the APU and packs running because air or electric wasn’t hooked up. Evidently burning fuel is cheaper than proper ground equipment or training.
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