John Carr

Well, in the spectrum of most people, sure. And compared to a mil income, again, sure. But as mentioned, there was really NO open time to be had, so do the math on 65 hours at 137/hr. Plus the removal of trip/duty rigs.

Now compare that 137-158/hr 65 hour min with the contract 2000 rate, 207-244/hr 81-83 hour min.

For right here, and right now.

Fast forward from the BK to 2007 at Delta. SAME THING, guys are killing it with (insert color of the rainbow) slips here, then the recession hits. No more bidding LCA lines and picking up for double, no more (insert color of the rainbow) slips here, no more "rolling thunder. Basically just hourly rate at min guaranty. So AGAIN, those guys that are raking it in NOW weren't always in a position to do so.

See above. I was making the same as an RJ CA with 80-85 hours and 14 days as the NB FO at UAL with 12 days off and 65 hours.

iceman21

[MENTION=49363]John Carr[/MENTION] I appreciate you bringing some reality of the past and definite future for those of us new to the industry. You are absolutely spot on. Get it while the getting is good and be ready for the dark times.

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John Carr

NP

And that’s all I’m trying to get at. Get it while you can, but manage expectations because it can all go away tomorrow, again…

I read how much the regionals are paying (granted, due to the bonus structures) and I’m astounded. And good for them, it’s what they SHOULD be making.

Anyway, ‘nuff thread drift from me.

iceman21

I agree with your stance and statement. Im at a regional now and for a variety of reasons I don't believe I will stay in the industry if I don't move UP from the regionals (or laterally into a higher paying position). The pay difference for essentially the same position is mind boggling.

Now, for those want to lambast me for the previous sentence, let's be real for a moment, and really put the job in it's perspective and forego the "paying dues" argument. We paid our dues getting to 1500 hrs. Those in the industry industry decades absolutely paid higher dues than others. The differences come in the equipment, amount of people and destinations.

Sorry for the thread drift. This subject merits it's own thread.

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reandld

I hear you. Sorry for the thread drift as well. I just get fired up when talking about it.

tom11011

Allegiant Air
A320
Year 7 FO
$101,462 Gross
$2600 in profit sharing included above.
$9800 Company match on 401k
571 hours flown, I drop down to minimum hours whenever possible and target 2 days per week of work. All my trips are extremely efficient.
I did zero overnights for all my trips, maybe over nighted 2 nights for recurrent training.
I had every Friday, Saturday, and Sunday off for the entire year.
Live in base.
None of my flying was affected in any way by covid.

SoFloFlyer

Given your QOL, that’s not bad!

AYLflyer

Canadian numbers are abysmal, but this is mostly a US focused board, so it was a half joke half serious response. Are you reading the replies in this thread? Less than 2 years ago we were all talking about signing up for truck driving school, now people who were on covid related leaves who haven't touched a jet in a year are posting 6 figure numbers, while those who worked are making what they did, or more, pre-covid. $300k+ for a newer FO flying cargo? That's incredible and most of these huge numbers are because of taking advantage of covid related work rules. Also hiring is moving faster than we'd ever thought possible and there's record breaking first year numbers for many of the regional guys. So, what do you want me to say?

Halon1211

I was going to suggest FarmersOnly.com

Spicy McHaggis

United 12yr bus CA live in domicile

W-2: $293.6k

Another $41.5k into the B-fund

410hrs of block over 151 flights.

Days worked: 86 (plus a 2day recurrent), averaging about 7 days a month.

51 nights from home


I don't think I picked up anything this year.