Avelo Air. News and info
02-20-2023, 08:13 AM
#763
New Hire
Joined APC: Feb 2023
Posts: 8
New Haven is probably where you will be as a brand new hire. However, the January 2023 class had one FO get ILG, 1 to RDU, and 4 got MCO. Since ILG is brand new there isn't a lot of data to provide yet.
02-20-2023, 02:39 PM
#764
Line Holder
Joined APC: Dec 2013
Position: B777 Captain
Posts: 64
Pay: not great but competitive and those who have asked if APC’s pay-rates are updated, no they aren’t. There’s been a recent bump that have been better to FO’s, not great for Captains. They’ll make those public soon (that’s what we were told). They definitely need to be improved for Captains.
Schedules: we bid and they’re awarded based on Seniority. Just like any other airline, it’s suck to be a RSV pilot, but we’ve all had to pay our dues at some point in our careers.
Bases: BUR MCO ILM RDU HVN. That seems to be the order from most senior to most junior bases. Both CA and FO.
Work Rules: They’ve been working on them for quite a while and we’re still waiting for them to be published. I honestly don’t think they be a big difference to what we have in place today. If that’s the case, then the time for Union talk has fully matured.
Overnights: None, unless you fly a charter. And NO, you don’t sleep on airplanes. You sometimes have red eye charter flying, just like any other 121 carrier. Once again, if you’re Junior, you’re a RSV pilot and those charters will be assigned to you.
Attrition: everyone in the industry except UPS, FedEx, DA or UA are experiencing attrition. Avelo isn’t the exception. Ask AA or SWA how many drop out in the middle of ground school.
Management: GB is chaos. He was chaos at Allegiant. He’s brought that with him. His micromanaging skills are felt throughout the ranks. The CP is clueless. He had some big shoes to fill when the previous guy returned to the line. They’re pilot complaints about mistreatment and even racism toward some pilots. He probably needs to go. The DO, well he has his reputation. Ask any ExpressJet pilot how they felt about SH. We can feel it already. Condescending, sleazy. Hey, your typical DO!
Training: if you can’t make it through their program, you have some serious problema. Almost 3 week ground school, 7 FTD, 11 FFS including your PC/Type. Instructors are great. Of course there are some exceptions. Check Airman are great. But the FAA Inspector who does their type ratings needs to go. It’s all about him and his 90 years of experience. Does Avelo control this? Does Avelo choose their Type Ride Inspector? NO and NO. That is sent out as a bid for qualified FAA Inspectors by the FAA. The FAA sends to Avelo who ever the bid is awarded to. His services will no longer be needed once the training center moves to MCO…we all hope. Avelo is working on the ADE program but the FAA has some serious attrition as well so there are no 737 qualified Inspector around or interested in being part of the Avelo ADE program. The FAA too feels the pilot shortage.
This Company is great. If you’re young (20-30), move on. Be honest, don’t waste their money, don’t waste your time. Head to the one of the big 3. If you’re an older guy and are afraid to be at the bottom the seniority list of one of these big 3 and be furloughed on the next dump the economy takes, then Avelo is the place for you. You’ll have seniority, great people to work with and you’ll be part of the evolution of the airline. It will evolve and Levy knows it. He’s invested way too much time and money to not care. MX is great. Training is good. The Technical Department is awesome. They keep the pilots educated with constant and easy to read information which I find very professional. I truly enjoy it.
You on the other hand seem miserable. You should leave. Why be at a place that makes you feel miserable? It’s just not for you. Good luck.
02-20-2023, 03:30 PM
#765
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Jan 2023
Position: B737 FO
Posts: 193
If you’re an older guy and are afraid to be at the bottom the seniority list of one of these big 3 and be furloughed on the next dump the economy takes, then Avelo is the place for you. You’ll have seniority, great people to work with and you’ll be part of the evolution of the airline.
02-20-2023, 04:43 PM
#766
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Dec 2020
Posts: 252
Respectfully, you need to leave. The information you have shared is either untrue or misleading. Every startup Airline has its challenges and when you signed up, I’m sure you were told what the rules of the game were. We were all told. You accepted those rules. Are they the best? No they’re not. We all know it. They know it, this management isn’t new to the game.
Pay: not great but competitive and those who have asked if APC’s pay-rates are updated, no they aren’t. There’s been a recent bump that have been better to FO’s, not great for Captains. They’ll make those public soon (that’s what we were told). They definitely need to be improved for Captains.
Schedules: we bid and they’re awarded based on Seniority. Just like any other airline, it’s suck to be a RSV pilot, but we’ve all had to pay our dues at some point in our careers.
Bases: BUR MCO ILM RDU HVN. That seems to be the order from most senior to most junior bases. Both CA and FO.
Work Rules: They’ve been working on them for quite a while and we’re still waiting for them to be published. I honestly don’t think they be a big difference to what we have in place today. If that’s the case, then the time for Union talk has fully matured.
Overnights: None, unless you fly a charter. And NO, you don’t sleep on airplanes. You sometimes have red eye charter flying, just like any other 121 carrier. Once again, if you’re Junior, you’re a RSV pilot and those charters will be assigned to you.
Attrition: everyone in the industry except UPS, FedEx, DA or UA are experiencing attrition. Avelo isn’t the exception. Ask AA or SWA how many drop out in the middle of ground school.
Management: GB is chaos. He was chaos at Allegiant. He’s brought that with him. His micromanaging skills are felt throughout the ranks. The CP is clueless. He had some big shoes to fill when the previous guy returned to the line. They’re pilot complaints about mistreatment and even racism toward some pilots. He probably needs to go. The DO, well he has his reputation. Ask any ExpressJet pilot how they felt about SH. We can feel it already. Condescending, sleazy. Hey, your typical DO!
Training: if you can’t make it through their program, you have some serious problema. Almost 3 week ground school, 7 FTD, 11 FFS including your PC/Type. Instructors are great. Of course there are some exceptions. Check Airman are great. But the FAA Inspector who does their type ratings needs to go. It’s all about him and his 90 years of experience. Does Avelo control this? Does Avelo choose their Type Ride Inspector? NO and NO. That is sent out as a bid for qualified FAA Inspectors by the FAA. The FAA sends to Avelo who ever the bid is awarded to. His services will no longer be needed once the training center moves to MCO…we all hope. Avelo is working on the ADE program but the FAA has some serious attrition as well so there are no 737 qualified Inspector around or interested in being part of the Avelo ADE program. The FAA too feels the pilot shortage.
This Company is great. If you’re young (20-30), move on. Be honest, don’t waste their money, don’t waste your time. Head to the one of the big 3. If you’re an older guy and are afraid to be at the bottom the seniority list of one of these big 3 and be furloughed on the next dump the economy takes, then Avelo is the place for you. You’ll have seniority, great people to work with and you’ll be part of the evolution of the airline. It will evolve and Levy knows it. He’s invested way too much time and money to not care. MX is great. Training is good. The Technical Department is awesome. They keep the pilots educated with constant and easy to read information which I find very professional. I truly enjoy it.
You on the other hand seem miserable. You should leave. Why be at a place that makes you feel miserable? It’s just not for you. Good luck.
Pay: not great but competitive and those who have asked if APC’s pay-rates are updated, no they aren’t. There’s been a recent bump that have been better to FO’s, not great for Captains. They’ll make those public soon (that’s what we were told). They definitely need to be improved for Captains.
Schedules: we bid and they’re awarded based on Seniority. Just like any other airline, it’s suck to be a RSV pilot, but we’ve all had to pay our dues at some point in our careers.
Bases: BUR MCO ILM RDU HVN. That seems to be the order from most senior to most junior bases. Both CA and FO.
Work Rules: They’ve been working on them for quite a while and we’re still waiting for them to be published. I honestly don’t think they be a big difference to what we have in place today. If that’s the case, then the time for Union talk has fully matured.
Overnights: None, unless you fly a charter. And NO, you don’t sleep on airplanes. You sometimes have red eye charter flying, just like any other 121 carrier. Once again, if you’re Junior, you’re a RSV pilot and those charters will be assigned to you.
Attrition: everyone in the industry except UPS, FedEx, DA or UA are experiencing attrition. Avelo isn’t the exception. Ask AA or SWA how many drop out in the middle of ground school.
Management: GB is chaos. He was chaos at Allegiant. He’s brought that with him. His micromanaging skills are felt throughout the ranks. The CP is clueless. He had some big shoes to fill when the previous guy returned to the line. They’re pilot complaints about mistreatment and even racism toward some pilots. He probably needs to go. The DO, well he has his reputation. Ask any ExpressJet pilot how they felt about SH. We can feel it already. Condescending, sleazy. Hey, your typical DO!
Training: if you can’t make it through their program, you have some serious problema. Almost 3 week ground school, 7 FTD, 11 FFS including your PC/Type. Instructors are great. Of course there are some exceptions. Check Airman are great. But the FAA Inspector who does their type ratings needs to go. It’s all about him and his 90 years of experience. Does Avelo control this? Does Avelo choose their Type Ride Inspector? NO and NO. That is sent out as a bid for qualified FAA Inspectors by the FAA. The FAA sends to Avelo who ever the bid is awarded to. His services will no longer be needed once the training center moves to MCO…we all hope. Avelo is working on the ADE program but the FAA has some serious attrition as well so there are no 737 qualified Inspector around or interested in being part of the Avelo ADE program. The FAA too feels the pilot shortage.
This Company is great. If you’re young (20-30), move on. Be honest, don’t waste their money, don’t waste your time. Head to the one of the big 3. If you’re an older guy and are afraid to be at the bottom the seniority list of one of these big 3 and be furloughed on the next dump the economy takes, then Avelo is the place for you. You’ll have seniority, great people to work with and you’ll be part of the evolution of the airline. It will evolve and Levy knows it. He’s invested way too much time and money to not care. MX is great. Training is good. The Technical Department is awesome. They keep the pilots educated with constant and easy to read information which I find very professional. I truly enjoy it.
You on the other hand seem miserable. You should leave. Why be at a place that makes you feel miserable? It’s just not for you. Good luck.
Well said, I just don’t have the want to go through what you just said when the thread starts to go south but thank you!
02-22-2023, 04:09 AM
#768
Line Holder
Joined APC: Sep 2018
Posts: 51
I recommend reaching out to a recruiter via email. They can tell you what the timeline looks like and how they are currently prioritizing the applications. When I applied I didn't hear anything until I attended a meet and greet.
02-22-2023, 04:51 AM
#769
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Dec 2020
Posts: 252
Meet and greets seem to be the way in right now
02-23-2023, 07:37 AM
#770
New Hire
Joined APC: Feb 2023
Posts: 8
I didn't attend a meet and greet. Applied and heard back within a few weeks. However, we will be a little slow on hiring for a few months due to the simulator being moved from DFW to MCO in the spring. The last big class was the January hire class until the SIM is moved and running in MCO. After that it is supposed to pick up again for quite some time.
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