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Old 01-22-2023, 08:55 AM
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HVN @ night in winter with contaminated runway not reported because tower is closed?

"At the time of the accident, the first officer had only 18 hours in the Boeing 737 and most of his
previous experience was operating light aircraft. Thus, his lack of experience flying jet aircraft
likely played a role in his inadequate monitoring of the approach (his lack of experience was
also exemplified by his failure to note, as part of his monitoring duties, that the speedbrake
handle had not been armed after calling the item as part of the Landing checklist)."
Also if they had ran LDA numbers prior to landing they would have seen they couldn’t have done it
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What does this have to do with Avelo?
What do you mean?
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Old 01-22-2023, 10:26 AM
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I thought it’s interesting from a cultural aspect. Either the Captain was a risk taker and a company man OR was coerced/threatened. Sometimes you just have to say no! Reading about management types and cultural implications, this is why it should be here. There’s another reason as well but I’ll let others bring it up.

It’s an important report and applicable to the aircraft type, flying into a high threat airport, and a somewhat similar type of op. It’s a good topic of discussion particularly hiring DECs and low time FOs and the issues that brings.
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I thought it’s interesting from a cultural aspect. Either the Captain was a risk taker and a company man OR was coerced/threatened. Sometimes you just have to say no! Reading about management types and cultural implications, this is why it should be here. There’s another reason as well but I’ll let others bring it up.

It’s an important report and applicable to the aircraft type, flying into a high threat airport, and a somewhat similar type of op. It’s a good topic of discussion particularly hiring DECs and low time FOs and the issues that brings.
It’s a crazy industry no doubt, hopefully everyone here makes better decisions based on facts, and not wanting to get home. From my experience the get home itis is the worst because we are home every night. Summer time is approaching again. Diverts are costly but sometimes the safest course
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Originally Posted by Boats and Hos
I thought it’s interesting from a cultural aspect. Either the Captain was a risk taker and a company man OR was coerced/threatened. Sometimes you just have to say no! Reading about management types and cultural implications, this is why it should be here. There’s another reason as well but I’ll let others bring it up.

It’s an important report and applicable to the aircraft type, flying into a high threat airport, and a somewhat similar type of op. It’s a good topic of discussion particularly hiring DECs and low time FOs and the issues that brings.
I would say that the experience ingrained with the limited training creates a dangerous culture where safety is not always paramount. I will be honest, the training is way too simple where everyone passes. I have seen guys and gals that should have failed become Check Airman. I have seen busts that should be a failure not even spoken about in the debrief. I personally would never put my family on certain flights with some Captains and FOs.

We have enough to worry about with small airports, we don’t need management being cheap about our paychecks or firing people because they don’t agree with them. The culture here is toxic that was created last year. It’s a regional airline at best where excuses and threats are made on a regular basis.

I know management and some management look over these boards trying to figure who is who. Be careful on what you post. We were even told in a meeting that discipline action can be taken for posting information. That’s right, they even threaten people with posting on a public message board.

It’s no way to run a safe airline.
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Old 01-23-2023, 06:19 AM
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Protect your career, stay far away from this place until they can get their act together.

This was a cluster Fk that should have never had happen. This guy is a Check Airman that should never have been a Check Airman. This is a training failure in a colossal way. Now two careers are ruined by an airline.
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I know management and some management look over these boards trying to figure who is who. Be careful on what you post. We were even told in a meeting that discipline action can be taken for posting information. That’s right, they even threaten people with posting on a public message board.
You ignore that and push to have them ejected right to the street for the good of the industry.
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Protect your career, stay far away from this place until they can get their act together.

This was a cluster Fk that should have never had happen. This guy is a Check Airman that should never have been a Check Airman. This is a training failure in a colossal way. Now two careers are ruined by an airline.
Are you trying to tell us the guy is now a check airman at Avelo?
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Are you trying to tell us the guy is now a check airman at Avelo?
My apologies, he is a training captain at Avelo that was in the pipeline to be a Check Airman.
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You ignore that and push to have them ejected right to the street for the good of the industry.
No they shouldn’t be ejected into the street. Where did I say that?
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