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05-20-2021, 10:44 AM
#81
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Fundamentally there is no first amendment protection from your employer, and plenty of ex-employees (including more than a couple pilots) have learned that the hard way. Especially in the social-media era.
But previously that was almost always applied for those who either
1) Bad-mouthed the company in public (common)
2) Made truly outrageous public speech, ie nazi, anti-semitic, mecha, etc (pretty rare, but gets a lot of press)
I think there will be societal pushback for companies trying to police their rank-and-file employees' participation in routine civil discourse on their own time. Obviously different for high-profile execs. There's actually nothing preventing 1st amendment-like legislation protecting all or almost all employee speech...
But previously that was almost always applied for those who either
1) Bad-mouthed the company in public (common)
2) Made truly outrageous public speech, ie nazi, anti-semitic, mecha, etc (pretty rare, but gets a lot of press)
I think there will be societal pushback for companies trying to police their rank-and-file employees' participation in routine civil discourse on their own time. Obviously different for high-profile execs. There's actually nothing preventing 1st amendment-like legislation protecting all or almost all employee speech...
Agreed. I have a hard time believing he or anyone will get fired for having a civil disagreement with someone. The slope gets awfully slippery really quick if said person starts berating, belittling, and or using hate speech towards the people he disagrees with.
05-20-2021, 12:00 PM
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The problem today is that many people today think that a different opinion is berating, belittling, and hate speech. Most college campuses come to mind.
05-20-2021, 02:16 PM
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I’ve heard it described as anywhere from using the wrong pronoun to ‘failing to validate’ someone’s perceived affront. As far as berating and belittling... you can probably see that on 30% of the threads on APC.
05-20-2021, 02:21 PM
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As if there were a universally accepted definition of ‘hate speech.’
I’ve heard it described as anywhere from using the wrong pronoun to ‘failing to validate’ someone’s perceived affront. As far as berating and belittling... you can probably see that on 30% of the threads on APC.
I’ve heard it described as anywhere from using the wrong pronoun to ‘failing to validate’ someone’s perceived affront. As far as berating and belittling... you can probably see that on 30% of the threads on APC.
this is not to agree or disagree with that being hate speech, but just giving a little more clarity to something you oversimplified
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05-20-2021, 02:38 PM
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Grandma’s old saying of “sticks and stones may break my bones but names will never hurt me” are more needed now than ever, simple as it was. It doesn’t mean someone should berate another, but an application of it means we shouldn’t be triggered and seek social justice because someone expressed their opinion or disagreed with mine.
Thanks to virtue signalers we lost the ability to disagree without being disagreeable, and employers have been forced to jump on the bandwagon or risk being slandered and cancelled by the mob.
Thanks to virtue signalers we lost the ability to disagree without being disagreeable, and employers have been forced to jump on the bandwagon or risk being slandered and cancelled by the mob.
05-20-2021, 02:43 PM
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Being an adult is being able to have an honest dialog with someone with a difference of opinion, without going ballistic.
05-20-2021, 03:30 PM
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I’ll take it a step further: We now live in a world where offense/hate speech/harassment is defined by the feelings of the recipient rather than the intent of the speaker. A chilling and appalling precedent. And one difficult to return from.
05-20-2021, 05:05 PM
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https://bleacherreport.com/articles/...nsane-cheating
https://ibb.co/Qb7HSss][/url]So any discussion of this topic is hate speech?
05-20-2021, 05:43 PM
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So one can never have an honest opinion that someone with XY chromosomes is male and someone with XX chromosomes is female without committing hate speech. I suppose Martina Natratilova cannot honestly opine that people with XY chromosomes ought not to be allowed to compete in sports leagues designed for people with XX chromosomes either? Without it being hate speech I mean?
https://bleacherreport.com/articles/...nsane-cheating
https://ibb.co/Qb7HSss]
So any discussion of this topic is hate speech?
https://bleacherreport.com/articles/...nsane-cheating
https://ibb.co/Qb7HSss]So any discussion of this topic is hate speech?
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