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05-25-2021, 09:43 AM
#181
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Boycotting and cancel culture are not in the same realm as others have said.
I truly believe the majority of this country is somewhere in the middle. The problem is the far left and the far right have the loudest voices and are the main drivers of division.
People who are in the middle have decided it’s better to stay quiet lest they be called out by the other side. It’s not worth most people’s career to be publicly vocal about these issues. Someone wants to ruin you for not thinking like they do.
I thinks it very telling that the lead prosecutor in the Chauvin trial, a black man, stated on 60 minutes that he found zero evidence that race had any bearing on the murder of George Floyd. Racism is being used as a tool by the extremes to divide us. It’s working exceptionally well.
I’m wandering a bit off topic but until cooler more centrist views are allowed we as a country are in serious trouble.
I truly believe the majority of this country is somewhere in the middle. The problem is the far left and the far right have the loudest voices and are the main drivers of division.
People who are in the middle have decided it’s better to stay quiet lest they be called out by the other side. It’s not worth most people’s career to be publicly vocal about these issues. Someone wants to ruin you for not thinking like they do.
I thinks it very telling that the lead prosecutor in the Chauvin trial, a black man, stated on 60 minutes that he found zero evidence that race had any bearing on the murder of George Floyd. Racism is being used as a tool by the extremes to divide us. It’s working exceptionally well.
I’m wandering a bit off topic but until cooler more centrist views are allowed we as a country are in serious trouble.
https://m.facebook.com/60minutes/videos/749091662421875/
05-25-2021, 09:49 AM
#182
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[QUOTE=CBreezy;3240198]Are you sure he said race had nothing to do with it?
https://m.facebook.com/60minutes/vid...75/[/QUOTE]
That clip doesn’t refute my statement. Not the lead prosecuted speaking in the clip either.
https://www.newsy.com/stories/a-g-el...-floyd-murder/
https://m.facebook.com/60minutes/vid...75/[/QUOTE]
That clip doesn’t refute my statement. Not the lead prosecuted speaking in the clip either.
https://www.newsy.com/stories/a-g-el...-floyd-murder/
05-25-2021, 11:06 AM
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[QUOTE=CoefficientX;3240204]
Thanks for the link: Keith Ellison sat down with "60 Minutes" and says he didn't have evidence that Derek Chauvin killed George Floyd because he was Black but instead pointed to a systemic issue. "It's not necessary that Derek Chauvin had specific intent to harm George Floyd,' he said. "The fact is, we know that through housing patterns, through employment, through wealth, through a whole range of other things, so often people of color – Black people – end up with harsh treatment from law enforcement. And other folks, doing the exact same thing, just don't."
Are you sure he said race had nothing to do with it?
https://m.facebook.com/60minutes/vid...75/[/QUOTE]
That clip doesn’t refute my statement. Not the lead prosecuted speaking in the clip either.
https://www.newsy.com/stories/a-g-el...-floyd-murder/
https://m.facebook.com/60minutes/vid...75/[/QUOTE]
That clip doesn’t refute my statement. Not the lead prosecuted speaking in the clip either.
https://www.newsy.com/stories/a-g-el...-floyd-murder/
05-25-2021, 12:07 PM
#184
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[QUOTE=CBreezy;3240259]
Thanks for the link: Keith Ellison sat down with "60 Minutes" and says he didn't have evidence that Derek Chauvin killed George Floyd because he was Black but instead pointed to a systemic issue. "It's not necessary that Derek Chauvin had specific intent to harm George Floyd,' he said. "The fact is, we know that through housing patterns, through employment, through wealth, through a whole range of other things, so often people of color – Black people – end up with harsh treatment from law enforcement. And other folks, doing the exact same thing, just don't."
I’m not denying in any way shape or form that racism exists. I am debating how it is being used as a tool to divide us.
Ellison is talking about systemic racism and not speaking directly that Chauvins actions were a direct result of him being racist. I think that is an important distinction.
A year or two ago I was deadheading. As we were taxiing for takeoff the white flight attendant stopped two rows in front of me and told a black female passenger her large bag would have to go under the seat or in an overhead bin, not on her lap where it was. After trying, it wouldn’t fit underneath the seat. The passenger objected and refused to put it in the overhead. There was the typical back and forth between the flight attendant and the passenger. The passenger then called out the flight attendant as a racist saying if she (the pax) were white this wouldn’t be a problem. Clearly this situation had nothing to do with race.
Society is being force fed that whites are by default racist. I applaud Ellison’s distinction that you cannot simply look at that Chauvin situation and call him a racist. Ellison was thinking critically and that does not happen often these days. Racism is being pushed and used a a tool to divide.
Thanks for the link: Keith Ellison sat down with "60 Minutes" and says he didn't have evidence that Derek Chauvin killed George Floyd because he was Black but instead pointed to a systemic issue. "It's not necessary that Derek Chauvin had specific intent to harm George Floyd,' he said. "The fact is, we know that through housing patterns, through employment, through wealth, through a whole range of other things, so often people of color – Black people – end up with harsh treatment from law enforcement. And other folks, doing the exact same thing, just don't."
Ellison is talking about systemic racism and not speaking directly that Chauvins actions were a direct result of him being racist. I think that is an important distinction.
A year or two ago I was deadheading. As we were taxiing for takeoff the white flight attendant stopped two rows in front of me and told a black female passenger her large bag would have to go under the seat or in an overhead bin, not on her lap where it was. After trying, it wouldn’t fit underneath the seat. The passenger objected and refused to put it in the overhead. There was the typical back and forth between the flight attendant and the passenger. The passenger then called out the flight attendant as a racist saying if she (the pax) were white this wouldn’t be a problem. Clearly this situation had nothing to do with race.
Society is being force fed that whites are by default racist. I applaud Ellison’s distinction that you cannot simply look at that Chauvin situation and call him a racist. Ellison was thinking critically and that does not happen often these days. Racism is being pushed and used a a tool to divide.
05-25-2021, 12:28 PM
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It's a civil right issue. As I argued earlier, the equal protection clause should extend protections on religious views to non-practicioners as well as those who claim their faith. Most non-woke views are also widely-held religious views. If a Christian can speak out against transgenderism on the basis of religion, so can an athiest. Any other interpretation would turn the civil rights act into a law respecting religion, which is unconstitutional.
I don’t think anyone’s civil rights are being violated as a result of them speaking out for their secular views. But I’m fine with making personal opinions a protected right, regardless of anything.
05-25-2021, 12:33 PM
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Fail to be woke at your own peril.
I only know do Cheney and Amash. With Cheney, she was reaffirmed in her position despite voting to impeach Trump. But she lost her leadership position because she let they TDS get in the way of her being able to do her job as a leader in her caucus. As for Amash, as far as I can remember, he either lost his election or decided not to run. I honestly have never heard of the other two. But I don’t watch CNN or MSNBC where apparently Cheney was getting more air time than on FNC, which I also don’t watch.
In any case, cancelling typically is not something that applies to elected politicians in the same sense as regular citizens whose livelihoods are threatened for having an a opposing opinion. Politicians live in an endless cycle of elections where citizens decide whether to cancel them or re-elect them.
05-25-2021, 12:34 PM
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The conundrum of modern life is that most people would be far happier if they ignored cable news, websites and politics in general.
The down side is that if you don't pay attention you end up with leftist curriculum in your schools and kids are being led down a path in which they are indoctrinated rather than educated.
The down side is that if you don't pay attention you end up with leftist curriculum in your schools and kids are being led down a path in which they are indoctrinated rather than educated.
The experience I've had with my kids in public school has great and my kids have learned a lot of patriotism.
Not all school/teachers are Berkley
05-25-2021, 12:41 PM
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Fail to be woke at your own peril.
While there are undoubtedly a lot of very liberal university professors spewing their political propaganda, a statement like yours is deeply offensive to the majority of school teachers who try very hard to keep politics out of their classrooms. Most school teachers do a much better job than you think. Most of them are afraid to even get within the realm of political discussion for fear of backlash. You are being very unfair to the profession of teachers.
The experience I've had with my kids in public school has great and my kids have learned a lot of patriotism.
Not all school/teachers are Berkley
The experience I've had with my kids in public school has great and my kids have learned a lot of patriotism.
Not all school/teachers are Berkley
Not all places are Berkeley. I would guess it is probably very dependent on geography as to which teachers have no fear of espousing their political views. Case in point, there are about only a dozen states that either have or in the midst of passing a bill prohibiting CRT. Whereas some school districts whole heartedly endorse it. In these schools, it’s not even considered political to talk about leftist ideology.
But it is always generally a good idea not to stereotype at whole community.
05-25-2021, 10:53 PM
#189
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Here come the gymnasts...
05-26-2021, 05:48 AM
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Boycotting a product or service is not the same as tracking down someone's personal life and destroying them and their family because they dared to disagree with some snowflake on Twitter.
You're the one who's in the fringe here and in society. But keep projecting on us how we are the ones with an oppression delusion.
You seem to lack self awareness.
You're the one who's in the fringe here and in society. But keep projecting on us how we are the ones with an oppression delusion.
You seem to lack self awareness.
The right is just as guilty of cancel culture as the left.
It's a problem that needs to end. Both sides need to stop. Don't pretend that Republicans don't play cancel culture too.
I feel that I must reiterate that I am equally horrified by the story that started this thread. As a country and society we need to stop this bullsh*t. But it ain't as one sided as a lot of you pretend it is.
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