galaxy flyer

As I said, my Mercedes recharges at the rate of 30 miles every 13 seconds; it’ll get a rotisserie restoration before I’d buy electric. I’m unlikely to buy any new car as I’ve come to the conclusion that I don’t want the electronic gadgets installed. I’d frankly rather drive a Peterbilt 379 than the new cars. They’re hopeless.

OOfff

this is the same nonsense we heard about EFI. Carburetors forever

galaxy flyer

No, it’s not. EFI was a huge improvement, Carbs were awful but they didn’t activate the brakes or pulse the steering wheel or steer the car. The tech may work in the future but it’s been a Royal PITA in th3 rentals I’ve had. Restomods are popular for a reason.

Besides, I like it a lot, best one yet. I did have to order to not have some of the crap like their awful NAV Command system.

OOfff

EVs are objectively great, and you can turn off active safety features

Bluesideup1

Just when I thought I was out, They pull me back in!

Holy misinformation batman.

What market forces are dictating that the price of electricity will "dramatically" increase? For the last 60 years the demand for electricity has skyrocketed yet the price for kWh hasn't even kept up with inflation. Showing the market forces when demand goes up the price of electricity has declined.

The average price per kWh not adjusted for inflation in the 60's was $.14 today it is $.13. Adjusted for inflation the price per kWh in the 60's was a $1.24. In the 1960 the U.S. used 1.4 Trillion kWh. Now we are using 3.9 Trillion kWh per year or over 2.5 times what we did in the 60's and the price has dropped. I don't know where you get these totally baseless wild ideas but Come on man.

Once again I thought pilots were smart but when you try and compare how much electricity is in a gallon of gas but don't take in to account how much more efficient the electric car is then try and say that it costs triple to power the electric car is just mindboggling.

Here is a very simple way to compare and it can be found anywhere you look. Meaning a very simple google search would have saved you from writing such drivel.

At your average price per kWh of $.13 it costs $10.66 to fill up an 82kWh battery for the long range Tesla model 3 that can go around 350 miles. To fill up an average ICE car, that gets the average mpg of 24.9, at the average price of a gallon of gas right now at $2.51. It would cost $35.28 to go the same 350 miles.

The only thing you got right was triple the price just in the wrong order.

Bluesideup1

I don't know where the school system broke down but where did you get that number? At 26.787 cents per kWh it is the equivalent of $1.57 a gallon.

I will show my work. A long range model 3 with an 82 kWh battery will go 350 miles on a charge. It will cost 82 X 0.26787 to fill it up: $21.96.

To get the same 350 miles at the U.S. average of 24.9 mpg would take 14.05 gallons. To get that you divide 350 (mileage) by 24.9 (mpg) to get: 14.05 gallons. Then divide $21.96 (cost to fill up electric car) by 14.05 (gallons used to go the same distance) and you get: $1.562989.

Please if you are a pilot let the box do the calculations otherwise you may end up in New York when you were trying to get to Detroit.

Bluesideup1

My EV charges at 270 miles every 8 seconds. That is how long it takes me to plug in my car and wake up with a full battery every morning.

FXLAX

I don’t think I said Mexicans. If I did, show me where. But that is beside the point anyway. I’m not referring to a recent phenomenon. Migrants have been coming here for decades. And even if you are right that they are coming here for jobs and nothing else, the point is that many bring their failed policy ideas with them. You know, the policies that created the unemployment in their country. Also, I didn’t say that residents from other states moving to these states were not a contributor. Just so that we are clear, just because I don’t mention something, doesn’t mean you get to assign my position on it.

sailingfun

You should have turned them off. That way they won’t bother you.

Seneca Pilot

Ok, let's unpack this:

First I don't understand why the internet seems to cause people to lose their courtesy but I will respond in kind.

I thought pilots understood math and the impact of government regulation and taxation on the price of goods.

There is no model 3 rated for 350 miles range. The long range is 310 and as we all know that is optimistic for any real life driving. My X is rated for 288 but realistically to have any contingency and to account for anything other than perfect weather and road conditions the safe number is 230-240.

Your lack of reading comprehension make you look like a stupid troll. I never said that the cost to operate an EV was triple. I said that I can see electricity tripling in the coming decades. I have stated in numerous posts that EVs are more efficient than gasoline vehicles and right now we get to take advantage of that difference to operate them at a lower overall cost. Most of you zealots leave out the inconvenient fact that the EV costs nearly double the price of an equivalent gas powered vehicle and that cost is offset by large EV tax credits to attempt to close the close the gap. Even with that government support it takes years to see a breakeven for the added cost. EVs are a luxury in the current market.

Yes, in 60 years the electricity use has only gone up 2.5 times. That is only 4% per year, a growth rate that is easily maintained without big price hikes by reasonable cap ex and the force of state electricity regulators mandating small increases in price. The projected growth of EVs is 29% per year compounded between now and 2030. That is seven times the historic growth of normal electric distribution. There is no plan to supply this much energy. The only source that we have that could possibly keep up with that steep increase in demand is nuclear but due to a strong anti nuclear lobby the last new plant was opened in 2016 after a 20 year gap. The average house only uses 30 KWH per day now and it takes 80 KWH to fully charge an EV. Every time a person buys an EV and installs a 1450 plug and charges their car each night, even with 30 KWH that doubles the household average.

Now we come to taxes. There is currently zero federal excise tax on electricity. The only taxes on it are local and state consumption or distribution taxes. Many of those taxes have gone to increasing the supply of power to keep rates low. With the decline in gasoline use the money for transportation infrastructure maintenance and expansion will have to come from somewhere. Pete Buttigieg is proposing a mileage tax. That tax will be over top of the current gas tax, this is the way of our government. Once gas is no longer in use the tax will be either shifted to electric distribution or the equivalent mileage tax added to make up for the loss of revenue. Given your number of 22.4 MPG average for gasoline vehicles the current federal excise tax is approximately 1.22 cents per mile traveled. For the federal government to match that rate with an EV the tax would have to go to about 6 cents per mile or about 24 cents per KWH

I am not sure where you came to the conclusion that I have argued at any point in this discussion that EVs are not more efficient than gasoline vehicles. Not once have I said that. You either cannot comprehend what I am posting or are not reading it and just assuming. Either way I have said all along that EVs are more efficient and that the federal government and the market will eventually charge us for that efficiency. If we disagree on that, fine that is up for discussion, but when you post a lie about my points then ridicule me for the lie you posted it just makes you look like an idiot.

I will continue to respond to you in the tone you use. If you are more civil and respectful I will return to that tone. I never berated you and I expect the same in return.