California income taxes
#693
California income taxes turned into an EV discussion. Cool. Let me know when an EV comes out that let's me be driving around town running errands, at the edge of short call range get the call, drive 2 hours to the airport and not be worried about my car sitting (unplugged) for a 4-5 day trip. I wouldn't mind grabbing a super charge on the way home, but the idea that my "gas tank" is slowly whittling down each day my car sits at the airport parking lot makes me nervous.
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#694
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California income taxes turned into an EV discussion. Cool. Let me know when an EV comes out that let's me be driving around town running errands, at the edge of short call range get the call, drive 2 hours to the airport and not be worried about my car sitting (unplugged) for a 4-5 day trip. I wouldn't mind grabbing a super charge on the way home, but the idea that my "gas tank" is slowly whittling down each day my car sits at the airport parking lot makes me nervous.
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As I said local use is the current best and highest use of EV. 300 miles of range does not satisfy the person wanting to drive on a 1200 mile trip. The charging time and out of route to get to chargers adds too much time and complexity to the trip. The energy density is key to getting the needed range without making the vehicle as big as a bus or weigh nine thousand pounds. Planes will need batteries with about twenty times the current density to ever be viable as an EV.
The price of oil is just under half of the cost of a gallon of gas. The rest is taxes, transportation, and refining. The problem is that the refiners are the ones that control the price of the finished product. Take away most of their business and they will raise margins to find profits or there will be shortages.
I understand you like EVs. So do I. But the switch will have to be gradual and measured or there will be price spikes for refined products that will cause unknown and devastating economic damage.
The price of oil is just under half of the cost of a gallon of gas. The rest is taxes, transportation, and refining. The problem is that the refiners are the ones that control the price of the finished product. Take away most of their business and they will raise margins to find profits or there will be shortages.
I understand you like EVs. So do I. But the switch will have to be gradual and measured or there will be price spikes for refined products that will cause unknown and devastating economic damage.
With a 300 mile range EV leaving home with a full charge you can drive 4 hours, sit down at a restaurant for about an hour and come back to a car capable of driving another 250 miles before another recharge. That is 500 miles in a day. If you wanted to go further you can take a break at a charging station after the next 150 miles or 2 hours 20 minutes, stretch your legs and use the restroom. You can do this indefinitely until you have to sleep. It may add 40 minutes to an 800 mile drive and it that is something that you can't live with then by all means rent an ICE car or wait for an EV with 500 miles of range. There are over a million EVs in the country right now and there are almost no complaints coming from people who actually own them about long trips but plenty coming from people who don't like EVs or don't understand EVs.
When over half of the price of gas is the oil then that is what controls the price. It is the only true variable in the price of oil. When oil is high gas prices are high, when oil is low gas prices are low. This is abundantly obvious to anyone that has watched oil go to $150 a barrel and then the gas go to $4-$5 a gallon or when oil dropped to $30 a barrel and gas prices fell to under a $1.50. Very little of which had anything to do with the refineries, taxes or transportation as those for the most part are fixed costs.
Right now it cost between $.40-$.60 per gallon to refine depending on the additives. Even if the price went up which is highly unlikely because why would it. It would hardly make a dent in what a gallon of gas costs as oil is the true driver of price and with more of it then the price will go down.
I guess we will just disagree on price spikes and devastating economic damage because I don't see any way that would happen. I also know we will find out who is right sooner rather than later. Most auto companies are transitioning to EVs and in the next 5-10 years a lot of them will be all EV.
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If I am wrong please show me who said that what powers EVs lacks smog and we can both show them that is not true. Unless of course they have solar on their roof and power their vehicles with it. Then other than the original production of the solar tiles and the car they are not emitting smog and are actually powered by unicorn farts. Most people would say the sun but to keep it simple lets just say unicorn farts.
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Even after 4 days of sitting in the Phx or las sun? I don’t know just asking. Wierd the leaf would have it if that’s the case. Wouldn’t be hard to double or even triple the size of the leaf panel. I’m thinking it doesn’t help battery life to do a 1/3 charge on a regular basis. Just a guess because I know there’s battery banks so in theory you could just rotate banks that you charge to 100% with the panel.
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