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Old 03-07-2021, 06:41 AM
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Hi everyone. I am potentially looking at a commute to either SEA or LAX and I live in Utah. How do state taxes work with commuters? Do I pay taxes in the state I work, the state in which I live, or both (hopefully not both).

Clearly the income difference would be significant between paying California state taxes vs Washington (no state tax) if I do pay tax to the state which I am based in. Thanks.
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Originally Posted by dodgerk
Hi everyone. I am potentially looking at a commute to either SEA or LAX and I live in Utah. How do state taxes work with commuters? Do I pay taxes in the state I work, the state in which I live, or both (hopefully not both).

Clearly the income difference would be significant between paying California state taxes vs Washington (no state tax) if I do pay tax to the state which I am based in. Thanks.
I’ll try and find the documentation, but crew members pay taxes to the state you live in. Not every tax expert knows this and will try to convince you otherwise. California has also been known to try and convince crew members other wise. They are a pretty greedy state.

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Old 03-07-2021, 07:30 AM
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Originally Posted by Broncofan
I’ll try and find the documentation, but crew members pay taxes to the state you live in. Not every tax expert knows this and will try to convince you otherwise. California has also been known to try and convince crew members other wise. They are a pretty greedy state.
Thanks Bronco. Any docs would be awesome.
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Old 03-07-2021, 08:52 AM
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Originally Posted by dodgerk
Thanks Bronco. Any docs would be awesome.
This is actually from the Colorado tax people, but it applies generally throughout the US and is more easily readable than some:

https://wcginc.com/images/pdf_up/COStateIncomeTax.pdf

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Taxpayers who regularly work in interstate transportation are subject to special rules of taxation. These special rules are based on federal law enacted to deal with the unique nature of these industries. [Title 49, Subtitle VII, United States Code]
INTERSTATE AIRLINE EMPLOYEES
The pay of an air carrier employee who has regularly assigned duties on an aircraft in at least two states (for example, a pilot or flight attendant) is subject to income taxation by their state of residence and any state in which the employee earns more than 50% of the pay received. [49 U.S.C.S. §14503(b)(2).] An air carrier employee is deemed to have earned more than 50% of their pay in Colorado if the flight time worked by that employee within Colorado exceeds 50% of the total flight time worked by that employee while employed during the calendar year.
A Colorado resident who works for an airline will always include their wages in Colorado taxable income, even if more than 50% of the income is earned in another state. The individual may be able to claim a credit on the Colorado return for any taxes paid to that other state.
but the California Franchise Tax people will do their best to find a way to get into your pocket. If you wound up marrying a young lady who was a California resident, they’d want you to pay California State tax on half your salary until SHE moved out of the state, because half your income is hers under California Community property laws making ALL of her and half of your income taxable under THEIR rules. And owning a residence in California, even a crash pad you rent to others can be risky. Consult a tax lawyer BEFORE you do anything like that.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/robertw...h=79d8360a7779
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Old 03-07-2021, 09:15 AM
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Originally Posted by Broncofan
I’ll try and find the documentation, but crew members pay taxes to the state you live in. Not every tax expert knows this and will try to convince you otherwise. California has also been known to try and convince crew members other wise. They are a pretty greedy state.
This is not an absolute. If you fly typical schedules and are a typical commuter you probably only have to pay taxes in your resident state but even then there are exceptions.

If you fly a lot of intra-state, or spend a lot of time in the domicile state when not working, you could trigger local residency. To further complicate things, the rules for two commuters in the domicile state can be different depending on which state they reside in... some states have reciprocal tax agreements which govern which state you pay taxes to. Don't take your buddies word for it unless he lives in the same state you do.

If you're based in CA (or some other greedy states) you need to talk to a local accountant to make sure you understand the rules.
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Originally Posted by rickair7777
This is not an absolute. If you fly typical schedules and are a typical commuter you probably only have to pay taxes in your resident state but even then there are exceptions.

If you fly a lot of intra-state, or spend a lot of time in the domicile state when not working, you could trigger local residency. To further complicate things, the rules for two commuters in the domicile state can be different depending on which state they reside in... some states have reciprocal tax agreements which govern which state you pay taxes to. Don't take your buddies word for it unless he lives in the same state you do.

If you're based in CA (or some other greedy states) you need to talk to a local accountant to make sure you understand the rules.
Best to probably not over complicate this....

If you're based in CA and over 50% of your time is out of state flying, you don't need to do anything. Just file with your home state. You will, however, be required to pay CA SDI and therefore be eligible to collect SDI and other benefits from CA. I have been based in CA for over 20 years and have lived out of state the entire time. I have received exactly two letters (in 20 years) from CA in reference to owing CA tax. Both times, all that was required was a short written response stating that "over 50% of my income is earned outside of CA". Never a question or audit.

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I moved to CA in 2019 during the year and therefore filed a CA state income tax return.


Just received a letter from the CA equalization tax board because... wait for it... “we noticed you filed a CA tax return for 2019, but we were unable to find your tax return for 2018. Please pay your 2018 CA taxes.”

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I moved to CA in 2019 during the year and therefore filed a CA state income tax return.


Just received a letter from the CA equalization tax board because... wait for it... “we noticed you filed a CA tax return for 2019, but we were unable to find your tax return for 2018. Please pay your 2018 CA taxes.”

Must have had nothing but open road on the drive into California. I know the drive out of California is bumper to bumper.
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Originally Posted by CincoDeMayo
Must have had nothing but open road on the drive into California. I know the drive out of California is bumper to bumper.
Good. I hope people leave even faster
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