Profane Kahuna

I don’t necessarily disagree with a flat tax (or more specifically flat tax rate).

But I was just asking how they morally justified people paying widely different amounts of taxes for the same services on the same sized properties.

Baradium

A different amount of money in taxes because you were born in a house vs decided to move there is not "fairness." And no, making it into law doesn't mean it's fair. It just means enough voters liked that idea.

sailingfun

Don’t forget that CA has a very high sales tax. Extremely high car registration taxes and even hidden property taxes you can’t even deduct!

The Community Facilities Act was a law enacted by the California State Legislature in 1982.[2] The name Mello-Roos is derived from its co-authors, Senator Henry J. Mello (D-Watsonville) and Assemblyman Mike Roos (D-Los Angeles).

When Proposition 13 passed in California in 1978, it limited the property tax rate and the ability of local governments to increase the assessed value of real property by not more than an annual inflation factor. As a result, the budget for public services and for the construction of public facilities could not continue unabated. New ways to fund local public improvements and services were considered and adopted by the California State Legislature.[2] A Mello-Roos tax is a species of parcel tax that circumvents Proposition 13 (which limits property taxes based on the assessed value of real property) because it is not levied on the assessed value of real property.

iahflyr

I need to call BS. I pay $225 to register my car in California. I paid more than double that for the same car when I lived in Nevada for a year.

Every state has their unique ways of collecting money. Ever try to drive in Florida. How much do you pay in Highway tolls each year?

CX500T

Best state for taxes ever was Wyoming.

No income tax. Property tax was under $1k on a $350k house.

Reasonable sales tax at 5%

Truck registration is $140 a year. That's the only gotcha tax I ever paid. I think a new car might be pushing $600 the first year then it drops.

Texas looked great on paper but the property taxes in the Houston suburbs were nuts. I think my last tax bill was over $13k for the year on a 250k house.

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Baradium

If we're talking about places you have to commute regardless, Alaska gives Wyoming a run for their money. Add in permanent vehicle registration.

Blue Dude

Wow, you're comparing tax-everything California to toll roads in Florida? At least tolls are voluntary. To avoid them, stay on local roads and interstates.

CX500T

Yeah, but I can drive Casper-SLC from long call if I have to. Can't drive anywhere in AK to SEA

FXLAX

Yes, because if you decide to pass your house down to your heirs, they will get the same treatment. How is that not fair?

FXLAX

Yeah, my situation is not theoretical. I bought a house this year. And I also have neighbors that bought their houses years ago. And I’m ok with it, despite my emotions.

But your second point is a good one.


California’s property tax is a flat one percent. If I was king, it would be a one time sales tax when the house was new. That’s why I would prefer the Fair Tax on both the federal and state level.


Sure it’s fair. Because someone born in a the house is treated equally to someone else born in another house and just as everyone who decided to move there is treated equally as someone else who decided to move there. Once those people who moved there have children born into their house, they will be treated equally to someone else born in another house, even though there will be others moving there as well.

But you make a valid point about laws. I’ll admit that is a bad way to make my argument and therefore I retract it.