galaxy flyer

You do know the 16th Amendment didn’t create the California income tax and has nothing to do with it?

GF

at6d

What he meant was, “fix the education system so we don’t end up with a bunch of socialists.”

ItnStln

Indeed, because taxation is theft.

ItnStln

It's too late for that, sadly.

worstpilotever

Socialism. You know the military is socialist right? Shall we get rid of it? Roads are socialist. Shall they all be toll roads? Schools are socialist. Shall we get rid of them so only the rich can go to school?

Bluesideup1

You know that every large country that has ever existed has had a military, schools and roads paid for by the taxpayers right? Do you think every country from a dictatorship in the congo that provides all of those services to Communist China that provides all of those services are Socialist countries?

This is just as stupid as saying that because I can buy a loaf of bread from a convenience store in Iran that they are capitalists.

The difference is spelled out in the Constitution that we live under and the beliefs and values that this Country was founded on. We came to an agreement that the government should be limited in its capacity to things like roads, Military and schools.

This comes from being oppressed by a King that tried to control every aspect of our lives so our founders in their great wisdom wanted a limited government so as not to grow so large that the government can once again control every aspect of our lives.

You morons that advocate for socialism have never been to a country that has had socialism or are too stupid to understand what happens when a country becomes a socialist country. People like you were all gaga 15 years over how Venezuela was the best. It had socialized health care, free college, free housing, work programs, etc. All the socialist garbage that the college professors keep prophesying as the perfect utopia. Venezuela had actors and politician swooning over how that country was the perfect model of how a country should be run.

Now these same people just ignore or say that wasn't socialism but everywhere socialism has been tried in large countries it has failed. Yet every 20 years a new crop of people come out saying how much better it would be if we were all equal and that we should give all our money to a government that cares nothing for the people and only for the power.

CrowneVic

Ah, there it is. Perfect example of the horrible job our schools and universities do these days.

You just can’t explain away stupid.

FXLAX

You do know that if the income tax was made unconstitutional again, no state or municipality would be able to institute it, right? The 16th amendment certainly has EVERYTHING to do with it!

The 16th amendment made it constitutional not just for the federal government, but for all governments to institute it. Supremacy clause

Anyway, there is a vehicle currently being promoted to do just such a thing. Convention of States Action. It’s all in article V.

FXLAX

Interstate roads and military, yes (along with other things. But article I section 8 (enumerated powers clause) only lists eighteen things congress has power to do. None of them say ANYTHING about schools or education. Education along with everything not mentioned in the enumerated powers clause and not prohibited by the constitution belongs to the states and the people. (10th amendment)

vessbot

Ah, the nightmarish hellscape of first world countries where you can have a health problem without going bankrupt...