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Old 05-05-2007, 10:46 AM
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Originally Posted by jsled
What's insane. Continuous service or not, he was still on the bottom of the list of guys still flying (not furloughed). So where is he now? you guessed it, at the bottom of the list. Same or better status, same or better pay, no windfalls. The fact that he is on the list with guys hired in 2005 sucks. It demonstates that life is not fair. That does not mean that the policy was not followed. If we want doh in mergers, then we have to change the policy.
Well, there's simply no credit whatsoever for longevity or experience within the operation. This is very dangerous precedent for the industry. Moreover, the lack of fences will decimate this guy's attrition related "career expectations" of rapid advancement. I expected pretty much this outcome but with significant C&Rs to protect the East pilots attrition expectations and therefore level the award. That's the biggest slight here IMO.

Your statement of "....life is not fair." seems to admit that there was, in fact, a significant windfall for one side. Based on other posts on this and other forums the AWA folks seem pretty content and the U guys are livid. That indicates that the merger policy was not applied properly.
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Old 05-05-2007, 11:56 AM
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Originally Posted by swaayze
Well, there's simply no credit whatsoever for longevity or experience within the operation. This is very dangerous precedent for the industry. Moreover, the lack of fences will decimate this guy's attrition related "career expectations" of rapid advancement. I expected pretty much this outcome but with significant C&Rs to protect the East pilots attrition expectations and therefore level the award. That's the biggest slight here IMO.

Your statement of "....life is not fair." seems to admit that there was, in fact, a significant windfall for one side. Based on other posts on this and other forums the AWA folks seem pretty content and the U guys are livid. That indicates that the merger policy was not applied properly.
Negative. Life is not fair does not mean a windfall to one side. It simply means, in this case, that your bud was hired at AAA and has had a sh!tty career. Some AWA folks are upset. Did you know that the top 500+ names on the list are AAA? Sounds pretty good to me. BTW, this decision is final.
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Old 05-05-2007, 05:25 PM
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Originally Posted by jsled
ALPA merger policy states: A. preserve jobs B. No windfalls C. Maintain same or better pay D. Maintain same or better status E. Preserve career expectations. No mention of "date of hire" anywhere in the policy.

I have said all along that all the furloughed guys should be placed behind the most junior AWA guy. After all, furloughed = furloughed. I am glad that the ALPA policy worked as advertised.
funny, before the merger am west was a place where people went to get a type and move on. now it's a desirable job. no, the furloughees didn't get hosed one bit
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Old 05-05-2007, 05:28 PM
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Originally Posted by IronWalt
It will be a MISERABLE MESSY ASS place to work for a long time to come. That is a fact of life. If I were seeking a job at the majors I think this would be the LAST CHOICE.
no doubt, but like any flying job, the line for employement will be long. it is a joke.
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Old 05-05-2007, 05:29 PM
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Originally Posted by HPilot
I thought you were UPS?
to answer again, my husband works for(or used to) usair.
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Old 05-05-2007, 06:11 PM
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He won't be missing much. I'm not saying this to be snide, but if I were him I'd take advantage of having a sugar mama and switch careers. Seriously that's what I'm planing on doing. With a 9-5 job I'll be home more and can actually have a social life with friends. I'm sure both your husband and I will be better off somewhere else.
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Old 05-05-2007, 07:14 PM
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Originally Posted by HotMamaPilot
funny, before the merger am west was a place where people went to get a type and move on.

That statement about moving on from AWA was only true over 5 years ago, not much attrition in recent times ...

But some little event in 2001 changed the landscape of the industry, don't you think ?



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P.S. Just thankful that whole mess is in my rear view mirror !!!

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Wow,

Can we expect the same type of integration when we merge with United?????

I sure hope so
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Old 05-05-2007, 10:04 PM
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Originally Posted by 757Driver
Wow,

Can we expect the same type of integration when we merge with United?????

I sure hope so
Absolutely!! UAL will bring their 117 widebodies to CAL's 46 widebodies and take all the top seniority slots (just like the AAA pilots got) and UAL's 500 guys left on furlough will get stapled. Lets do it.
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Originally Posted by Planedrvr
Please give me a f*#king break, "AW had widbodies"

Yeah, the had a 'grand total of 2 747' they operated almost 15 yrs. ago. Lost they a$$ flying them, because the lease payments were so high. But, yeah you guys did have 'a widebody' (sorry 2).
"You guys??" I was just reporting an opinion, I don't work for America West.
I'll be nice and won't point out the mistakes in your post, but it was hard to read.
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