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Old 08-23-2019, 03:44 PM
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I don't see any ethics issues here. The "C" in CJO stands for "Conditional" You didn't meet one of the conditions. Therefore no more job offer.
Yes it is “CONDITIONAL”. One wouldn’t think that a silly little test would get them that’s not even 100%.
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Yes it is “CONDITIONAL”. One wouldn’t think that a silly little test would get them that’s not even 100%.

Not beating around the bush and stating which of the Big 3 this was may help you get more info on the process on this board.

My guess is this was Delta, am I right?


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Old 08-23-2019, 04:14 PM
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I have a CJO (conditional jackpot offer) for the next Powerball drawing. I just need to pick the right numbers and it’s mine.
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Old 08-23-2019, 04:23 PM
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Originally Posted by GuardPolice
Not beating around the bush and stating which of the Big 3 this was may help you get more info on the process on this board.

My guess is this was Delta, am I right?


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Yes you are correct, I don’t like blaming or pointing the finger because I feel it’s unproductive. I have many friends at Delta and they are a great bunch of guys! It seems to be more corporate than anything. But I could be mistaken....
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Originally Posted by Helperto EL
Another test which could be subjective in nature. Plus background and other things. If for some reason on this test, it doesn’t come out correct according to one person, you take it again. Then the applicant is whisked into a room to talk about themself. Of course the applicant is nervous due to a stun of retaking something that is so crazy in nature and really may have a misunderstanding of how this test is worded.
You might assist other applicants by explaining the nature of this test. Can one prepare for it by studying some material, or with coaching?
Foreknowledge of “how this test is worded” (especially if it’s “crazy in nature”), could make an applicant less “nervous”.
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Old 08-23-2019, 04:38 PM
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You might assist other applicants by explaining the nature of this test. Can one prepare for it by studying some material, or with coaching?
Foreknowledge of “how this test is worded” (especially if it’s “crazy in nature”), could make an applicant less “nervous”.
Agreed, that’s the reason for the post. It’s not intended to complain, it’s intended to prepare others, one thing I know is we pilots should take care of one another not sell each other down the river. We all have worked hard to get where we are. I still think more stake is put into that test than should be. Only my opinion!
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Originally Posted by Helperto EL
If all the tests aren’t taken there should be no CJO. It’s unethical!
That's the scam. There are some tests which they legally cannot give you as part of the hiring determination. So they "hire" you (ie CJO) and now they can give you additional tests which are supposedly not used in making hiring decisions. However if you fail these tests, you can be disqualified and the CJO revoked.

So these tests in theory should be "pass/fail" and not graded on a merit scale or combined with other metrics to make a weighted decision.
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Originally Posted by GuardPolice
Not beating around the bush and stating which of the Big 3 this was may help you get more info on the process on this board.

My guess is this was Delta, am I right?


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Pretty much everyone here could have told you this. I’m glad my career airline doesn’t do all of this.

We have a great group of pilots who are safe and professional. We found these people without all the psycho babble BS. Who knew?

I’m not knocking Delta pilots. I have friends over there, but if you think doing math problems on one screen, while playing a game of pong on the other is going to determine whether one is a good pilot, I really don’t know what to tell you.

For you, or your friend, whenever I had an interview that I didn’t get an offer, a much better job was presented shortly after. It really does come in waves.

Hang in there!
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Originally Posted by rickair7777
That's the scam. There are some tests which they legally cannot give you as part of the hiring determination. So they "hire" you (ie CJO) and now they can give you additional tests which are supposedly not used in making hiring decisions. However if you fail these tests, you can be disqualified and the CJO revoked.

So these tests in theory should be "pass/fail" and not graded on a merit scale or combined with other metrics to make a weighted decision.
Very interesting, and not widely known IMHO. What sort of tests can’t be given? IQ? MMPI-type tests?
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Originally Posted by Helperto EL
Very strange to get a Conditional job offer then the next day can lost to an imperfect test.
It's not that it's "imperfect", it simply didn't fall within the boundaries/parameters required.

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You might assist other applicants by explaining the nature of this test. Can one prepare for it by studying some material, or with coaching?
Foreknowledge of “how this test is worded” (especially if it’s “crazy in nature”), could make an applicant less “nervous”.
Or, if lucky enough, a candidate can just let the HR person tell them how to take it the second time so they can get through. Where in hiring eras past, a candidate wasn't afforded that luxury.
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