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Fred Smith

Airborne

Management to employee ratio is what I believe is wrong with not only United but many airlines. Airline top management wants to keep employee wages low but have no problem giving themselves raises. Then the other side is when a person is hired to be a VP or Director then decide they don’t like the pay but can't give themselves a raise so they hire multiple mangers underneath them and then shove all their work off on them and then they get paid good salaries just to mange a few mangers. Another advantage of this is when something goes wrong the Directors and VPs just fire the multiple levels mangers below them to make the board of directors happy. You know the craps rolls down hill. Multiple levels of middle management cost airlines big bucks but it also protect the higher levels of management. That is why most employees need strong unions.

Greedy unions are the second worse thing that can happen to an airline the first is greedy management.

SkyHigh

I suppose unions are mid-level managers that the pilots can fire.

SkyHigh

acl65pilot

I believe that with United bleeding money like they are, it is only a matter of time until they are forced to merge our taken over in a buy out. They have a complicated route structure, but they cannot make money.
Their failure to invent a successful business plan in B/K will result in many mergers in this industry. IE the first domino that will cause what has been predicted since deregulation.

John Pennekamp

I believe United's 1st q losses are due to the closing of its second largest hub TWICE over the holiday season. This was predicicted bu United and Wall St.

Jake

Any new thoughts on United. I've heard rumors in DEN that they are thinking about hiring in the fall...

How would you rank UA for a pilot job compared to other 121/135/91's?

Illini

I thought they still had some pilots on furlough?

fatmike69

Had a UAL jumpseater in the actual not too long ago who seemed to think that United is a sinking ship- Current management is just in it for their own short term gain, want to take their share and get out (stock options, bonuses, mergers, etc.). A valid point brought up to support this was that unlike most other legacy carriers (maybe all?), UAL has no airplanes on order. It's not like United's fleet is a current one either (anyone seen the inside of one of the 737 flight decks? Looks like someone took mud and smeared it all over everything). So it seems, at least for the time being, UAL has no real plans of moving foward.

Low & Slow

That's a pretty accurate account, although it sure is sad to see United end like this.

There are many 15-20 year seniority pilots starting over at other carriers or getting out of aviation altogether. Last week there was another tragic United pilot suicide in Denver.

Aside from the dirty MEL laden airplanes, bitter employees, clueless management, and general malaise - United doesn't have anything going for it.

p1ayn

Can you blame the employees for the low morale? Think not. Tilton and his coons need to be indited!