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Legal vs illegal is a strawman argument. How big is the drink? Big enough and you can die of alcohol poisoning same way a big/strong enough dose of an otherwise non-lethal drug (legal or illegal) can kill you.
Fun fact: a fatal overdose of marijuana (illegal in most places and as far as the feds are concerned) is not possible. But in this country, more people die from overdoses of legal drugs than in car accidents.
Popular Science: Can you overdose on weed?
Fun fact: a fatal overdose of marijuana (illegal in most places and as far as the feds are concerned) is not possible. But in this country, more people die from overdoses of legal drugs than in car accidents.
Popular Science: Can you overdose on weed?
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Why does the example of alcohol have to be “legal” and “1 drink” while opioids are “shooting up” and “illegal”
You do realize that people are addicted daily to opioids from prescribed legal prescriptions, prescribed by accredited and licensed physicians? Your idea that every opioid addict is a heroin “junkie” in a back alley really speaks to ignorance; just as alcohol abuse being as simple as an innocent 1 drink of legal alcohol consumption.
How many innocent people die every year from being killed by someone under the influence of alcohol vs the influence of opioids? Numbers aren’t even close.
Point is there is not such thing as harmless addiction, or stereotypical addict types. All shapes and sizes, all walks of life.
Honestly I think you’re either just enjoying taking the counter of all arguments or just really stuck in a prior time of ignorance and non acceptance. Every topic you take the counter argument whether it’s women in aviation, discrimination accusations, United drag parade, etc.....
Intolerant views that are causing so much destruction today.
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Possible....but extremely unlikely. There are also readily available tests that will clear up that confusion very quickly. If I were in that situation, I’d demand a blood test immediately. Like I said before.....I’m not going to speculate on the current situation.....but I’d say your suggestion has been ruled out at this point.
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Are some of you tools actually equating drinking alcohol to using drugs like cocaine or meth? That's pathetic, regardless of whatever life experience has led you to believe in that particular point of view.
I do know firsthand what alcohol abuse can do to individuals or an entire family. But that particular comparison is invalid.
I do know firsthand what alcohol abuse can do to individuals or an entire family. But that particular comparison is invalid.
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Are some of you tools actually equating drinking alcohol to using drugs like cocaine or meth? That's pathetic, regardless of whatever life experience has led you to believe in that particular point of view.
I do know firsthand what alcohol abuse can do to individuals or an entire family. But that particular comparison is invalid.
I do know firsthand what alcohol abuse can do to individuals or an entire family. But that particular comparison is invalid.
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There are waaaaaay more cases of people doing horrible things after drinking than there are due to drug use. I’m definitely not saying they are the same thing when it comes to casual use, but once you’re down the rabbit hole.....it’s essentially the same thing. I’ve worked in this particular field, and I’ve seen more people destroy themselves with alcohol than drugs. Drug use just has a stigma, as demonstrated by the responses on this post. But whatever....arguing on here is dumb, because closed minds thrive on the Internet.
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There are waaaaaay more cases of people doing horrible things after drinking than there are due to drug use. I’m definitely not saying they are the same thing when it comes to casual use, but once you’re down the rabbit hole.....it’s essentially the same thing. I’ve worked in this particular field, and I’ve seen more people destroy themselves with alcohol than drugs. Drug use just has a stigma, as demonstrated by the responses on this post. But whatever....arguing on here is dumb, because closed minds thrive on the Internet.
Drugs have a stigma because they are worse, in several ways. Many are far more potent, are unpredictably potent, often don't contain what you think they do, and may be highly toxic. The booze that most folks drink is correctly labelled as to potency.
A small percentage of drinkers destroy themselves, a higher percentage of illegal substance abusers do so. Excluding MJ, since that's pretty much legal now.
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You've seen more because many more people drink in the first place.
Drugs have a stigma because they are worse, in several ways. Many are far more potent, are unpredictably potent, often don't contain what you think they do, and may be highly toxic. The booze that most folks drink is correctly labelled as to potency.
A small percentage of drinkers destroy themselves, a higher percentage of illegal substance abusers do so. Excluding MJ, since that's pretty much legal now.
Drugs have a stigma because they are worse, in several ways. Many are far more potent, are unpredictably potent, often don't contain what you think they do, and may be highly toxic. The booze that most folks drink is correctly labelled as to potency.
A small percentage of drinkers destroy themselves, a higher percentage of illegal substance abusers do so. Excluding MJ, since that's pretty much legal now.
Using the term “drugs” is pretty broad. I’m not going to defend jacking heroin into your arm and saying that’s on a level with having a glass of wine with your dinner. However....I do know some people who were able to use certain drugs on a casual level, just like I know some people who can’t even have a couple beers without self destructing. And the recovery chances aren’t set in stone, either. I know alcoholics who will never fly again....with good cause. I also know recovered addicts who work for Legacy carriers, and I’d trust them with my children’s lives. It’s a case by case thing.
This conversation is mostly pointless, which I should have known. It’s like politics.....people have very deep feelings, sometimes without even considering the other point of view at all. One thing is CERTAIN....legal or not, no amount of drug use is safe or reasonable when it comes to this career....and alcohol can ruin a good thing if you aren’t careful.
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Using the term “drugs” is pretty broad. I’m not going to defend jacking heroin into your arm and saying that’s on a level with having a glass of wine with your dinner. However....I do know some people who were able to use certain drugs on a casual level, just like I know some people who can’t even have a couple beers without self destructing. And the recovery chances aren’t set in stone, either. I know alcoholics who will never fly again....with good cause. I also know recovered addicts who work for Legacy carriers, and I’d trust them with my children’s lives. It’s a case by case thing.
To make matters worse, fentanyl is now being used to to enhance pot... so now it really can be a gateway drug (in addition to OD risk to someone who has no idea that he can't just smoke as many joints as he wants).
IMO the only safe recreational drug today is homegrown pot, or from a reputable outlet (not all are reputable, many are simply former illegal growers/distributers who crawled out into the light day).
This conversation is mostly pointless, which I should have known. It’s like politics.....people have very deep feelings, sometimes without even considering the other point of view at all. One thing is CERTAIN....legal or not, no amount of drug use is safe or reasonable when it comes to this career....and alcohol can ruin a good thing if you aren’t careful.
But as my kids have gotten older, we've been educated about the CURRENT realities of drugs... it's so bad they have emergency outreach from the DEA now in grade school and middle school, that slide show is eye opening to say the least.
Abuse of legal/prescription drugs is a whole nother issue... glad to see the feds cracking on down on the root of that problem: big pharma and white-collar dope pushers operating under a medical license.
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Are some of you tools actually equating drinking alcohol to using drugs like cocaine or meth? That's pathetic, regardless of whatever life experience has led you to believe in that particular point of view.
I do know firsthand what alcohol abuse can do to individuals or an entire family. But that particular comparison is invalid.
I do know firsthand what alcohol abuse can do to individuals or an entire family. But that particular comparison is invalid.
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