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Old 01-25-2018, 11:01 AM
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Originally Posted by Carlsbad
My question would be, how? Over here at AA, 80-84 hrs a month credit, 15-18 days off a month equals about $280k a year plus 16% retirement plan. That's at an hourly rate though of $272 hr. How are these guys/gals making $300k+ a yr off only $220 something an hour. I know our contract and union sucks compared to Delta, but is it really that bad?
I got pretty close to 300k in the right seat of the 777. One big factor in that was getting my 78 hour 12-day trip bought for IOE. Removed from the trip with full pay. So a clear month. 3 months worth of makeup hours in the bank and empty nest, so picked up a nice 70 hour RFO trip in the same month.

On the long haul flights we also capture up to an extra 2 credit hours per leg (always 2 if the leg is over 10 hours) which can drive average pay per day to more than 9 CH/day for many RFO trips (since every leg is long haul for their entire trip).

Knock out a whole month’s worth of flying with a week of vacation and then pick up an easy 35CH 5-day trip with a front deadhead to Paris (on AA, my favorite US airline ) and it starts to add up.
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Old 01-25-2018, 11:02 AM
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Originally Posted by beancounter
C'mon people post some real numbers. My favorite is the 6 yr Jet Blue 190 Captain making $292k yr. 40% of these posts are complete BS.
I think they are including the NEC/B-scale/401K contributions.
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Old 01-25-2018, 11:14 AM
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Originally Posted by terminal
*Most* guys live in domicile and make themselves available for premium trips-usually drop as much of their schedule as possible and hang by the phone waiting for premium. Or trip trade into more valuable trips etc. lot of ways to skin the cat.
But don’t forget at SWA and FEDEX they have paid vacation drop so that’s a huge part of it as well.
In talking with new pilots about the job i suggest a honest assesment of commuting vs not.

At DL it can easily be $1M+ difference in a 30year career earnings. Not counting compounding.

And comparing time at work is likely nearer a wash than not. Flying premium in base is more time at work. But then so is commuting and the position bid demands of commuting.

I once added up the time i spent in a year just sitting on a plane commuting. It totaled about 2weeks. I decided id rather spend it on vacation.

As for these W2 numbers....a post irop report disclosed DL operational metrics rely on flexing staffing by 20% via pilots making themselves available for ot flying. So it affords regular opportunity for income multipliers way beyond simple hourly rate calculations.

And a ps percentage running at 15% hasnt hurt the cause either.

Interesting point in the irop report was while 80+% of pilots in the sample category had in fact made themselves available to work ot.....crew resources had done such a good job eliminating credit time in trips, most of these pilots were rendered not viable because of FAR duty time limits.

Unintended consequences and all.
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Old 01-25-2018, 11:30 AM
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Originally Posted by at6d
I think they are including the NEC/B-scale/401K contributions.
Thats not income that is available right away.
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Old 01-25-2018, 12:43 PM
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It's all how you read this.

For example, I listed my W-2 wage, company NEC contributions and per diem all separately and then summed them up. It helps people form a more complete picture.
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Old 01-25-2018, 12:45 PM
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Spirit first and second year pay, around $38k on my 2017 W2.

Blocked/credited a bit below minimum due to taking family time, but probably averaged 65 credit hrs/month, more after I got to second year pay.
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Originally Posted by ShyGuy
This kinda thread usually ends up turning into a certain appendage measuring contest.
Are you talking about weiners!
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Old 01-25-2018, 07:07 PM
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10yr JB A320 FO

$164,348
Put 5% into 401k
JB put in 13%

Average month I worked 11 days
Blocked 695 hrs
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Old 01-25-2018, 08:42 PM
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Originally Posted by Carlsbad
My question would be, how? Over here at AA, 80-84 hrs a month credit, 15-18 days off a month equals about $280k a year plus 16% retirement plan. That's at an hourly rate though of $272 hr. How are these guys/gals making $300k+ a yr off only $220 something an hour. I know our contract and union sucks compared to Delta, but is it really that bad?
Yeah,,,,your work rules blow.

I had 2 weeks vacation in one month last year. Ended up with the whole month off with pay of 91. Flew 2 trips for 1.5x and credited 160.

If you were on rsv at SWA you start at a credit 90 and 15 off. Without picking anything up you can end up around 120. I’ve picked up on days off, not worked on a rsv day and credited 130.
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Originally Posted by flyguy81
Yeah,,,,your work rules blow.

I had 2 weeks vacation in one month last year. Ended up with the whole month off with pay of 91. Flew 2 trips for 1.5x and credited 160.

If you were on rsv at SWA you start at a credit 90 and 15 off. Without picking anything up you can end up around 120. I’ve picked up on days off, not worked on a rsv day and credited 130.
Being a reserve pilot at SWA..... no thanks. I never wanted to work for SW and I still don't. Now.... Delta, that's another story.
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