2017 W2 Earnings
#391
My question would be, how? Over here at AA, 80-84 hrs a month credit, 15-18 days off a month equals about $280k a year plus 16% retirement plan. That's at an hourly rate though of $272 hr. How are these guys/gals making $300k+ a yr off only $220 something an hour. I know our contract and union sucks compared to Delta, but is it really that bad?
On the long haul flights we also capture up to an extra 2 credit hours per leg (always 2 if the leg is over 10 hours) which can drive average pay per day to more than 9 CH/day for many RFO trips (since every leg is long haul for their entire trip).
Knock out a whole month’s worth of flying with a week of vacation and then pick up an easy 35CH 5-day trip with a front deadhead to Paris (on AA, my favorite US airline ) and it starts to add up.
#392
#393
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Joined APC: Jun 2015
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*Most* guys live in domicile and make themselves available for premium trips-usually drop as much of their schedule as possible and hang by the phone waiting for premium. Or trip trade into more valuable trips etc. lot of ways to skin the cat.
But don’t forget at SWA and FEDEX they have paid vacation drop so that’s a huge part of it as well.
But don’t forget at SWA and FEDEX they have paid vacation drop so that’s a huge part of it as well.
At DL it can easily be $1M+ difference in a 30year career earnings. Not counting compounding.
And comparing time at work is likely nearer a wash than not. Flying premium in base is more time at work. But then so is commuting and the position bid demands of commuting.
I once added up the time i spent in a year just sitting on a plane commuting. It totaled about 2weeks. I decided id rather spend it on vacation.
As for these W2 numbers....a post irop report disclosed DL operational metrics rely on flexing staffing by 20% via pilots making themselves available for ot flying. So it affords regular opportunity for income multipliers way beyond simple hourly rate calculations.
And a ps percentage running at 15% hasnt hurt the cause either.
Interesting point in the irop report was while 80+% of pilots in the sample category had in fact made themselves available to work ot.....crew resources had done such a good job eliminating credit time in trips, most of these pilots were rendered not viable because of FAR duty time limits.
Unintended consequences and all.
#399
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Joined APC: Oct 2006
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My question would be, how? Over here at AA, 80-84 hrs a month credit, 15-18 days off a month equals about $280k a year plus 16% retirement plan. That's at an hourly rate though of $272 hr. How are these guys/gals making $300k+ a yr off only $220 something an hour. I know our contract and union sucks compared to Delta, but is it really that bad?
I had 2 weeks vacation in one month last year. Ended up with the whole month off with pay of 91. Flew 2 trips for 1.5x and credited 160.
If you were on rsv at SWA you start at a credit 90 and 15 off. Without picking anything up you can end up around 120. I’ve picked up on days off, not worked on a rsv day and credited 130.
#400
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Joined APC: Apr 2016
Position: A320 FO
Posts: 99
Yeah,,,,your work rules blow.
I had 2 weeks vacation in one month last year. Ended up with the whole month off with pay of 91. Flew 2 trips for 1.5x and credited 160.
If you were on rsv at SWA you start at a credit 90 and 15 off. Without picking anything up you can end up around 120. I’ve picked up on days off, not worked on a rsv day and credited 130.
I had 2 weeks vacation in one month last year. Ended up with the whole month off with pay of 91. Flew 2 trips for 1.5x and credited 160.
If you were on rsv at SWA you start at a credit 90 and 15 off. Without picking anything up you can end up around 120. I’ve picked up on days off, not worked on a rsv day and credited 130.
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