Jump Seat as a Political Tool
03-23-2007, 02:42 PM
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Jump Seat as a Political Tool
Let's hear everyone's thoughts on this. Should be a fun read. We all know where the green Major stands, how about the rest of you lurkers? Smart idea, dumb idea, makes no difference? Any js coordinators out there want to weigh in? (Bored out here in the desert).
03-23-2007, 03:32 PM
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Being retired puts me out of the picture, but the only eligible pilots I refused to use the jumpseat when I was still working were those IN the scab book. Period.
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03-23-2007, 06:24 PM
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Skyone,
My denial of the jumpseat isn't a "political tool." I refuse to extend a privilege that was won at the bargaining table by UNION pilots to non-Union pilots who undercut Union contracts.
Nothing political about that. Ask DAL pilots how much they gave up just to ride DAL jumpseats. They have always been welcome on mine regardless of whether they could reciprocate.
My denial of the jumpseat isn't a "political tool." I refuse to extend a privilege that was won at the bargaining table by UNION pilots to non-Union pilots who undercut Union contracts.
Nothing political about that. Ask DAL pilots how much they gave up just to ride DAL jumpseats. They have always been welcome on mine regardless of whether they could reciprocate.
03-23-2007, 06:49 PM
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Skyone,
My denial of the jumpseat isn't a "political tool." I refuse to extend a privilege that was won at the bargaining table by UNION pilots to non-Union pilots who undercut Union contracts.
Nothing political about that. Ask DAL pilots how much they gave up just to ride DAL jumpseats. They have always been welcome on mine regardless of whether they could reciprocate.
My denial of the jumpseat isn't a "political tool." I refuse to extend a privilege that was won at the bargaining table by UNION pilots to non-Union pilots who undercut Union contracts.
Nothing political about that. Ask DAL pilots how much they gave up just to ride DAL jumpseats. They have always been welcome on mine regardless of whether they could reciprocate.
your a ****ing tool.
03-23-2007, 06:56 PM
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I'm nowhere close to senior enough to be a capt so my opinion is relatively irrelevant. That's never stopped me before, though. I would have to say that I agree with the idea of denying J/S to non-union types. During my brief airline career, it's become readily apparent to me that unions are the only things that are going to protect our careers. ALPA, APA, whatever you have, may not be the best there is, but it's all we have. If B-6 doesn't like it, I think they should move to unionize. Maybe a few denied J/S may motivate them more to get one together. Sure, it would suck for the individual denied a ride, and I'd sure be ****ed about it if I was on the receiving end, but I still think that's how I would run things. And I have no doubt that a non-union guy would vehemently disagree with that.
03-23-2007, 07:01 PM
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03-23-2007, 08:04 PM
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I would understand and expect the captain to deny a non-union jump seat pilot. This coming from a non-union skyw pilot. This would knock some sense into those new capts commuting to ord or mke. We need to work together and educate, but you have to draw a line and stand some ground here. Our industry is going to $hit quick.
03-23-2007, 09:34 PM
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