Jump Seat as a Political Tool
03-26-2007, 09:29 AM
#51
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03-26-2007, 09:29 AM
#52
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I am very serious about this. You don't influence people to join your cause by slapping them in the face. If you think differently, you are hopelessly naive. And I've been in the industry, union and non union, for a while. My eyes are and have been open for some time, thanks.
03-26-2007, 09:36 AM
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Wait... I'm confused... how do you classify those pilots from major carriers who elected by vote, to take pay cuts. Did they too not set the the industry back decades?
03-26-2007, 09:44 AM
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no but they might think twice about going to VA if they can't jumpseat on any ALPA carrier and would most likely be forced to live in SF. we all know what kind of life they will have with those rates, especially the FO's.
I've grown tired of hearing jetblue guys in my jumpseat say that they don't care about pay because the live in grand rapids mi. where the cost of living is low and that we should get used to the new pay scales.
all of these low cost carriers don't want to compete on an even playing field. they want to compete by having a competive advantage by keeping pay low.
what other union says that it is completely ok to undercut us and oh by the way we'll even help you do it by getting you to work. please...
I've grown tired of hearing jetblue guys in my jumpseat say that they don't care about pay because the live in grand rapids mi. where the cost of living is low and that we should get used to the new pay scales.
all of these low cost carriers don't want to compete on an even playing field. they want to compete by having a competive advantage by keeping pay low.
what other union says that it is completely ok to undercut us and oh by the way we'll even help you do it by getting you to work. please...
As far as "company policy" goes, we had a Captain who wouldn't even give the jumpseat to company guys. His rationale? I don't ask for it, so I don't give it. The company's response? "That's Captain's perogative."
ALPA policies? They're more like suggestions. Of course, the Jumpseat Committee is against punishing non-Union types. Why? ALPA is all about growing the number of represented pilots and, by extension, dues income. And that's ALL its about. Believe me, I've had numerous converstions with our jumpseat coordinator and the answer is always the same: "I wish you'd take them, but the jumpseat is SOLELY given or witheld at the CAPTAIN'S discretion.
So all you turkeys who think anyone is throwing any "blanket parties" can think again. If you're wearing the stripes, YOU decide who rides for free.
And that's really what this is all about, isn't it? Free transportation. Everyone of you who is singing the "he's just trying to get home" blues marks yourself as someone too cheap to buy a ticket. Well, if you're non-Union and undercut MY contract, you can wait for the next flight and hope that Captain is more interested in playing golf than protecting his job.
03-26-2007, 09:47 AM
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Can you be that blind?
03-26-2007, 10:22 AM
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where did their payscales fall to? low cost carrier rates and now we have VA and skybus around the corner. it's time we as pilots start taking responsibility for our own actions.
03-26-2007, 10:30 AM
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Are you really that disenguous? Those guys were forced to acquiesce looking down the barrel of the bankruptcy gun. And does it not strike you as ironic that the low rates they were forced to accept were almost exactly what non-Union carriers like B6 pay?
Can you be that blind?
Can you be that blind?
03-26-2007, 10:32 AM
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It was time to take responsibility two years ago during the latest round of negotiations. The voice of those pilots were heard when they took their early retirements when available and moved on to other carriers both in the US and abroad.
03-26-2007, 10:44 AM
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I am very serious about this. You don't influence people to join your cause by slapping them in the face. If you think differently, you are hopelessly naive. And I've been in the industry, union and non union, for a while. My eyes are and have been open for some time, thanks.
they aren't new players to the game. they've been around and know the stakes. these aren't new pilots coming out of flight schools not knowing any better and to me you are naive not seeing this.
by the way they are slapping the rest of the industry with these wages.
03-26-2007, 10:48 AM
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Are you really that disenguous? Those guys were forced to acquiesce looking down the barrel of the bankruptcy gun. And does it not strike you as ironic that the low rates they were forced to accept were almost exactly what non-Union carriers like B6 pay?
Can you be that blind?
Can you be that blind?
But...a pilot looking down the barrel of the bankruptcy gun (unemployed, whatever) of his own, that accepts a job (non union) that pays "almost exactly" the same is a duck, or a pintail, or lets see...a scab..that's right, a scab!
It's so clear now.
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