EDC757

No, he was a elder, major airline guy. He should have know better. The only way the F/A knew about it was this same pax wanted to upgrade but didn't have enough points. So when she saw him in the middle seat she asked how he ended up with a middle seat. He got his asile seat back.

Deuce130

For the last time, no. If any FDX or B6 guys have ever, in the history of the world, denied or been denied a j/s on FDX aircraft due to union status, please speak up. Or if anyone has ever heard of it. No? Didn't think so.

fdx727pilot

Since the guy that started this, and all of the other posters advocating JS denial to pilots of non-union carriers (with the exception of
Deuce130, who 1. has since recanted, and 2. Is not in the left seat anyway) don't work at Fedex (as far as I can tell, profile info is sparse,) I don't understand your question. I won't give a seat to anyone on the Scab list, or one of the non-members here at Fedex. A pilot at a non-union carrier is a whole different matter. I worked for a non-union carrier between my 2 ALPA jobs, and realize that sometimes, you gotta pay the bills. While there, I did turn in a card for union representation, which came along after I left. As long as you are not actively avoiding union membership, you're welcome in my cockpit.

L'il J.Seinfeld

No, Sir. This was the Fall of 2005.

Velocipede

See, here's what I love about this kind of comment. It insinuates that ALPA National screwed the pooch. Anyone who knows anything about ALPA contract negotiations KNOWS that ALPA National serves the individual MECs in an ADVISORY role only. So, this kind of statement, by innuendo, is patently untrue.

What you should have said, for example, was "FDX ALPA screwed up." That may have been true, since only the local MEC and NC make the final decisions based on the advice of National. They are free to ignore that advice.

And let me reiterate that the premise of this whole thread is flawed. When I deny a B6, VA or Skybus pilot a jumpseat ride, it isn't to make a "political" statement. It is simply that non-Union pilots should not ask for nor be granted privileges that are UNION benefits.

That's sort of like Jane Fonda going to a VA hospital for medical care. She didn't earn it and actively worked to undermine those who did.

fr8rcaptain

Yes, but the 265 number came from the discussions in Florida, 2001. No hourly wage proposals were discussed or exchanged prior to spring 2006. The FedEx pilot group position was published in the spring of 2005. Whether this influenced UPS' position is probably not a far stretch...

Trust me, I didn't vote for this pay scale, the FOs did. They got a well deserved raise, and I barely got a cost of living adjustment after not getting a pay bump for seven years.

Somehow I'll survive.

org1

Wrong. While that's the way it's supposed to work, while negotiations were in progress at Emery in 1999 or so, the ALPA leadership interjected itself into meetings with the arbitrator and the company. In at least one case, our negotiators weren't even present. A lawsuit is still ongoing over that.

ALPA provides many valuable services and CAN be an asset to a pilot group....but don't trust them to automatically do what's best for you. It's all about money.

To get back on the subject: I'm gratified to see you're in the minority. A few guys like you could set the union movement back by decades. You might feel like a real stud to throw somebody off the jumpseat, but all you're doing is creating ill will and possibly costing your fellow crewmembers a ride home some day. I suspect you'd have an interesting conversation after your name came up when one of your guys was denied the seat on a non union airplane.

Flying Boxes

I'm just honestly asking if the FDX guys don't give rides to Jetblue.[/QUOTE]

YES!!! I've seen several guys in AOC, and had a couple of B6 guys on my Capts. jet

Just to make sure there is no misunderstanding about FDX jumpseats!

Lil'S give the FDX bashing a rest! The goals of our union is our business, IPA's goals are your business! They influence each other but I fail to see why FDX should take any compromise in any of our other section....so IPA can acheive their goal!

Velocipede

Not hardly. I will merely continue to exercise Captain's authority and that includes determining who will and who will not get a jumpseat ride.

L'il J.Seinfeld

That depends on where you work. The FAA does not see it that way.