Jump Seat as a Political Tool
03-23-2007, 10:17 PM
#11
Ben Salley
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Sky one,
My denial of the jumpseat isn't a "political tool." I refuse to extend a privilege that was won at the bargaining table by UNION pilots to non-Union pilots who undercut Union contracts.
Nothing political about that. Ask DAL pilots how much they gave up just to ride DAL jumpseats. They have always been welcome on mine regardless of whether they could reciprocate.
My denial of the jumpseat isn't a "political tool." I refuse to extend a privilege that was won at the bargaining table by UNION pilots to non-Union pilots who undercut Union contracts.
Nothing political about that. Ask DAL pilots how much they gave up just to ride DAL jumpseats. They have always been welcome on mine regardless of whether they could reciprocate.
03-24-2007, 04:47 AM
#12
Gets Weekends Off
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It has nothing to do with the cockpit jumpseat. You really should do some research before you post.
03-24-2007, 04:48 AM
#13
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I would understand and expect the captain to deny a non-union jump seat pilot. This coming from a non-union skyw pilot. This would knock some sense into those new capts commuting to ord or mke. We need to work together and educate, but you have to draw a line and stand some ground here. Our industry is going to $hit quick.
03-24-2007, 05:08 AM
#14
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They didn't "win" anything. By the time B6 came around, there was this little program called CASS. You may have heard about it. It is availible for airline management to participate in, mostly to get their commuter pilots free rides to work.
It has nothing to do with the cockpit jumpseat. You really should do some research before you post.
It has nothing to do with the cockpit jumpseat. You really should do some research before you post.
Last edited by MD-11Loader; 03-24-2007 at 05:09 AM. Reason: Had to adjust B6's airline code.
03-24-2007, 08:03 AM
#18
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I'm nowhere close to senior enough to be a capt so my opinion is relatively irrelevant. That's never stopped me before, though. I would have to say that I agree with the idea of denying J/S to non-union types. During my brief airline career, it's become readily apparent to me that unions are the only things that are going to protect our careers. ALPA, APA, whatever you have, may not be the best there is, but it's all we have. If B-6 doesn't like it, I think they should move to unionize. Maybe a few denied J/S may motivate them more to get one together. Sure, it would suck for the individual denied a ride, and I'd sure be ****ed about it if I was on the receiving end, but I still think that's how I would run things. And I have no doubt that a non-union guy would vehemently disagree with that.
To deny the livelihood of a fellow pilot simply because his peers don't yet have a union is pure and utter BS. I know a lot of folks not fortunate enough to have gotten hired at UPS/FDX would gladly take a paycheck from Jetblue. It's been slim pickens for pilots and I can not see how you can fault someone for taking a job at Jetblue.
Last edited by L'il J.Seinfeld; 03-24-2007 at 08:39 AM.
03-24-2007, 09:32 AM
#19
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How soon we forget. You got a great job at FDX--good for you. But there are other guys as qualified or even more qualified than you that did not have a friend at FDX like you did. Back in 2004-2005 what jobs were available? Not that many and to have gotten hired anywhere was a huge accomplishment. ALong with SWA, UPS, and FDX, Jetblue was one of those highly competitive and sought after jobs.
To deny the livelihood of a fellow pilot simply because his peers don't yet have a union is pure and utter BS. I know a lot of folks not fortunate enough to have gotten hired at UPS/FDX would gladly take a paycheck from Jetblue. It's been slim pickens for pilots and I can not see how you can fault someone for taking a job at Jetblue.
To deny the livelihood of a fellow pilot simply because his peers don't yet have a union is pure and utter BS. I know a lot of folks not fortunate enough to have gotten hired at UPS/FDX would gladly take a paycheck from Jetblue. It's been slim pickens for pilots and I can not see how you can fault someone for taking a job at Jetblue.
For those that don't care about simply treating other crewmembers well because it's the right thing to do, you might think about the old statement that "you need to be careful how you treat your co pilot...he might be your next chief pilot." This applies to jumpseaters as well. I've personally seen it happen, in both the co pilot AND the jumpseater case.
03-24-2007, 09:46 AM
#20
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How soon we forget. You got a great job at FDX--good for you. But there are other guys as qualified or even more qualified than you that did not have a friend at FDX like you did. Back in 2004-2005 what jobs were available? Not that many and to have gotten hired anywhere was a huge accomplishment. ALong with SWA, UPS, and FDX, Jetblue was one of those highly competitive and sought after jobs.
To deny the livelihood of a fellow pilot simply because his peers don't yet have a union is pure and utter BS. I know a lot of folks not fortunate enough to have gotten hired at UPS/FDX would gladly take a paycheck from Jetblue. It's been slim pickens for pilots and I can not see how you can fault someone for taking a job at Jetblue.
To deny the livelihood of a fellow pilot simply because his peers don't yet have a union is pure and utter BS. I know a lot of folks not fortunate enough to have gotten hired at UPS/FDX would gladly take a paycheck from Jetblue. It's been slim pickens for pilots and I can not see how you can fault someone for taking a job at Jetblue.
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