captjns

[QUOTE=ProfessorJoeVee;142248]And my point is: Every non-union airline that has any type Jumpseat owes it to dues paying Union members for bargaining for it.[\QUOTE]

Well we're all entitled to our own opinions.

fireman0174

[QUOTE=captjns;142266]So you think that the companies just gave the pilots the jumpseat authority out of the goodness of their hearts?

If you really feel that way, please contact me as I have a limited partnership for you to look at - it involves the Brooklyn Bridge.

RedeyeAV8r

[QUOTE=captjns;142266]Name a NON UNion Airline that Had offline jumpseats before Eastern Pilots negotiated it!

org1

[QUOTE=RedeyeAV8r;142362]What year did they negotiate it?

fr8rcaptain

Let's make sure I understand your question:

Should the Captain use his jumpseat authority as a political tool... and/or should your company use the jumpseat as a political tool...

The Captains jumpseat policy has been a benefit negotiated with our companies. And then reciprocal jumpseats are then negotiated with your company and others. These policies allow me to grant access to MY jumpseats as PIC. Politics are ALWAYS involved with jumpseats. FedEx has the cookie policy, UPS has the corporate "gotta keep access to my jumpseat database restricted" policy, certainly the scab list enforcement is a valid policy, and some operators have the best:welcome aboard, we don't need a stinking agreement, but I'm giving you a ride out of professional courtesy.

When I ride an off line jumpseat, I would rarely get grilled about "why aren't you ALPA" policy, but after I splained our sit-sie-a-tion, most Captains backed off. Only ONCE was I refused a jumpseat due to my independent union status, and that guy's forgiven and long forgotten.

I am so-o-o-oo happy to accomodate an off-line jumpseater, helping him/her get to work/home/vacation. Welcome aboard.

I currently work for an airline that said in 1989 "UPS pilots will only have access to our jumpseats to get to and from work." Our only reciprocals were FedEx and NWA through 1991 when AA came on-line. Of course the company came to see the light, and negotiated many agreements with almost all us airlines, big and small. Why did the company have this epiphany? Because it was stipulated in our 1993 agreement!

Then 9/11 hit. Most cargo operators don't have hardened doors, so off line riding was curtailed...

Someone do a little googling and find out which arlines, or organization, spearheaded the CASS program.

Now there's a story of good politics!!!

ProfessorJoeVee

Hey Ace, I'd rather not hear your non-union justifications. If you are flying a big airplane like in your avatar it's time to grow up and either be knee deep in getting a union or to quit giving be bull-cr@p stories about why your aren't.

Right now the industry needs EVERYONE in a union more than ever.

Did you ever think the ONLY reason you have jumpseats at your company is because WITHOUT IT the company realizes you might unionize?

de727ups

"Hey Ace, I'd rather not hear your non-union justifications"

You should show a little more respect. I'd welcome a Jetblue or Skywest pilot into my jumpseat as well as I'd expect Jetblue or Skywest to extend me the same courtesy (which they would without hesitation). Your ravings are falling on deaf ears. Feel free to take it somewhere else.

N570UP

He said "independent union" not "non-union". but does it matter? if a non-union guy's company has an agreement with your company, do you feel the need to override it?

captjns

[QUOTE=RedeyeAV8r;142362]I don't know when EAL negotated their offlline jump seat, however, America West was non union unitl the early '90s. We had jump seat riders from all walks of life, including American and Delta which did not have jump seat, even for their own folks. It wasn't their fault. It was the overall company's fault.

md11phlyer

JoeVee, wake up and read the post ya loser. The guy obviously is a union member and is most likely a UPS pilot. That group fought hard to negotiate a contract to keep the standards up for everyone else. Unless you happen to be a co-worker of mine, there is not a better contract out there than Brown's.