Baradium

Guys, whether or not you agree with him and the way he's doing this... THAT fact alone is something that shouldn't be in dispute.

I wasn't aware that *any* company "required" captains to take jumpseaters or give a reason. Even my little place of employment allows captains to deny boarding to any jumpseater with no reason needed.


Velocipede, I might not particularly agree with your reasons, but I fully support your right to be able to make the decision on who sits in that seat.


That said... I have something I'd like to bring up since there are a couple Alaska guys in this thread...

Some pilots with my company have reported Alaska captains telling them that since they have a seat assignment that they don't need to come by the cockpit to officially request the ride with the Captain, or even say hi. I've never had one say it and I continue to go by every time, even if it means waiting out of the way for a break in checklists or setting up systems.

I know that this is a big pet peeve among some captains when riders don't come by (wasn't there a jumpseat etiquette thread?), but captains actively telling pilots "when you jumpseat with a seat assignment, you don't need to come by the cockpit" seems a bit counter productive and is confusing a lot of guys.

I also think this might make jumpseaters feel more like they are just another non-rev and this can add to people wondering why a captain would be able to deny one.

Comments on that?

captjns

Wrong again Ace. I have been in aviation long before you were 30 seconds of pleasure and daddy’s little squirt.

About reports to your chief pilot…. I knew your reply would be exactly what I what it would be. You talk a mean game on this site. But son, you just don’t have the balls to face any pilot from non-union carriers about your tenets.

In the past, I have had to deny rides to people for reasons which are clearly stated in our FOM ranging from not enough room on the jet to problems with credentials being expired. I don’t hide behind my company’s FOM, gate agent, or my F/O when a fellow crew dog can’t ride on my jet. When a jump seat is denied, I have the courtesy to personally tell the individual why he/she can’t ride the jet. I don’t lie, nor do I leave the ill deed to the gate agent, or the F/O. But NEVER!!!! and I mean NEVER have I denied a jump seat for same reasons as you.

If you feel that strongly about pilots of non union airlines, you NEED to get out their and opine your views! Hide behind the mask so your identity won’t be revealed.

Velocipede

On Horizon, they used to specify on the jumpseat form (since departed) that you NOT disturb the flight deck crew if you were assigned a seat in the cabin. They preferred you thank the crew on the way out.

What you're referring to is the Multiple Jumpseat Program. For seats in the back you are screened through CASS and the reciprocal list by the CSA. You are assigned a seat in the back.

At that point, you virtually become just another non-rev passenger. As such, there really is no need for you to approach the flight deck at all. So, I can see the rationale of the Captains who prefer not to be interrupted.

However, it is still a courtesy to inform the Captain that you are aboard so he can be cognizant that there is another trained crewmember to help his F/As in case of problems. Additionally, you should alert the lead F/A to your presence and your seating location in the cabin.

dojetdriver

Velocipede,

If there was a push by ALPA to get JB to go union, would you participate?

Like the guys that were calling SKW pilots, would you VOLUNTEER your time to get them to organize since you since you have such disdain for their non-union status?

Doubt it.

reddog25

You don't speak with any authority. I can and have refused JS to non-company pilots without ANY calls from ANYONE. 4 stripes for a reason.....

captjns

So you, reddog, let me ask you this... would deny a jump seat to a pilot because he works for a non union carrier? And if you did, would you have the courtesy to tell the individual yourself, or would you leave it up to the gate agent or your F/O?

ProfessorJoeVee

Amazing.

You guys are more worked up over being denied a jumpseat than a non-union operation bringing down your livelihood.

Remember this during your next contract negotiations (or in the case of JetBlue when you sign your 5 year individual contract).

How many of you are aware that jumpseats/jumpseat useage was negotiated by the Unions? Without them you wouldn't have a jumpseat.

cma2407

Exactly. Otherwise, these operations are just a half-step above a 135 operation, minus the props.

captjns

There are a number of non-union carriers that have jump seat agreements with union carriers.

The issue is a pilot being denied the jump seat, where a jump seat agreement is already in place, because he flies for a non union airline. Also if that captain denying such pilot a ride would have the courtesy to tell him to his face the real reason, or if he would leave it to the Gate agent or F/O. I've read alot of posts of pilots from union carriers stating that pilots of non union carriers are not permitted on their jump seat. However, I haven't read a post from either affected party.

ProfessorJoeVee

And my point is: Every non-union airline that has any type Jumpseat owes it to dues paying Union members for bargaining for it.

And when they bargained for it--by definition--they payed for it in some form compensation.