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Old 08-11-2017, 11:14 PM
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Competing airlines that still have two pilots up front will make sure that customers know.
No airline CEO will spend a fortune and risk a marketing fiasco by "roboticizing" his fleet, unless all airlines are doing it.
In a single pilot operation, there would still be two pilots on board the aircraft, one is flying, the other is on rest. Both would be at the controls for takeoff/landing. The cost savings is not in getting rid of pilots, that would cost more money, it's the revenue increase from more aircraft utilization time, and fuel saving from optimized routing that only a computer could fly.

Communication with ATC, VORs, way points, airways, SIDs, STARs, ILS/RNAV/Visual approaches, etc are eliminated, everything will be doppler lidar with synthetic vision. This completely eliminates the need for a pilot to have any experience before being hired at an airline.


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Old 08-12-2017, 12:46 AM
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DP routes are standard in Latin Terrain and lots of Mexico. It's to avoid hitting a mountain when you descend due to a depressurization.

You'd have to ask the Airbus folks what it does when it descends in an area that doesn't require a DP. My guess it'd just do the emergency descent for you to 10,000.

Software wise, it could be programmed to select the nearest suitable alternate (using a database with runway length, approaches, etc) and fly to that point and autoland. It's just coding. The framework is all there.
DP routes are common is Asia as well, over the Himalayas.
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Originally Posted by Mesabah
This completely eliminates the need for a pilot to have any experience before being hired at an airline.
Oh....of course. That'll work.

If that's the case then maybe the airline can just have a lottery every flight to see which two pax get to be the pilots for that leg.
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Originally Posted by Mesabah
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LIDAR probably not even needed -- WAAS GPS and synthetic vision provides enough for safe aircraft operation. I've (nearly, down to around 40 feet) landed my 182 with synthetic vision and a safety pilot for kicks, and I'd do it single pilot in an emergency without a doubt.
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LIDAR probably not even needed -- WAAS GPS and synthetic vision provides enough for safe aircraft operation. I've (nearly, down to around 40 feet) landed my 182 with synthetic vision and a safety pilot for kicks, and I'd do it single pilot in an emergency without a doubt.
No, you will need Doppler Shift LIDAR, as ground/satellite based systems are just not reliable enough. Furthermore, Cat III equipment is too expensive to maintain, whereas LIDAR is only a few hundred bucks per airplane.
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Awesome. All the 182's can land this way.
May be a bit different for a Boeing with 300+ people on board.
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The solo PF will have to pass an alertness test every few minutes, or get a shock from his kazoo electrode. Two successive failures would trigger the PNFs kazoo electrode, summoning him to the cockpit. If either pilot's implanted brain sensor picks up "negative waves", the emergency ground nerd will be alerted by a shock from his kazoo electrode.
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Originally Posted by tomgoodman
The solo PF will have to pass an alertness test every few minutes, or get a shock from his kazoo electrode. Two successive failures would trigger the PNFs kazoo electrode, summoning him to the cockpit. If either pilot's implanted brain sensor picks up "negative waves", the emergency ground nerd will be alerted by a shock from his kazoo electrode.
Sound like torture, who the heck would want to sit in a cockpit alone for 8 hours? I'd venture to say most pilots would actually demand to be paid more for those "services" thus further eliminating any "cost savings."
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Originally Posted by tomgoodman
The solo PF will have to pass an alertness test every few minutes, or get a shock from his kazoo electrode. Two successive failures would trigger the PNFs kazoo electrode, summoning him to the cockpit. If either pilot's implanted brain sensor picks up "negative waves", the emergency ground nerd will be alerted by a shock from his kazoo electrode.
No, the computer watches the pilot, then makes a PA announcement that the other pilot is dead, and the second pilot needs to report up front.
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Originally Posted by Mesabah
No, you will need Doppler Shift LIDAR, as ground/satellite based systems are just not reliable enough. Furthermore, Cat III equipment is too expensive to maintain, whereas LIDAR is only a few hundred bucks per airplane.
Augmenting with vision / camera analysis as opposed to LIDAR. There is a lot of knowledge gained from the self driving car projects (Uber went with Lidar and has been using this for 3D external mapping of surroundings, but Tesla has done well with just image analysis from a few cameras).
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