FlyyGuyy

How much will they have to pay someone to fly single pilot like that? 1000 an hour? Is that really a savings at that point?

captjns

Peanuts and bananas should do the trick.

fasteddie800

That's an awful extreme statement.

Can you share with us what your qualifications are to state something like this?

Name User

Why do I need qualifications? It's already been successfully done. Several times.

CBreezy

So, you don't have any. Got it. You're just bad at drawing useful conclusions.

An airplane can take off and land all by itself does not equate to removing all pilots and automating everything. The problem with driverless cars are not that they can't drive themselves. That's been successfully proven over and over. It's that they can't interact 100% successfully with the human element. When they do it wrong, it isn't like "oops, they made the wrong turn." No. Someone is hurt or someone dies. That is unacceptable risk when the alternative is it not happening and paying maybe an extra 50 cents per passenger. And they don't have the pattern recognition and learning capability of humans yet. Just this summer alone I've batted away a bad vector into dangerous activity the next gen aircraft radar did not see dozens of times. Ever been to NY? You think those controllers care about flying you through moderate turbulence? Or when I got reroutes that would have had me landing with no gas. Or when I've gotten reroutes that put us behind 30 minutes but we were able to ask for shortcuts getting us in on time. None of this the computer can do. When you give a computer an instruction it isn't able to do, it doesn't usually give alternative suggestions. It just says no. We aren't there yet.

We haven't fully automated trains yet and that should be the single easiest and cost effective change.

Name User

I didn't read anything past your first sentence in your second paragraph, because that isn't what I've continually posted throughout this thread re: automating a flight deck. Go back and re-read and watch some of those videos, the tech is pretty cool. In a nutshell it turns the job into a "point and click" one.

Adlerdriver

No - here's what you've posted in this thread:

It wasn't just about automating a flight deck. You've claimed we're going to be single pilot in 10 years. But you have nothing to back that up other than the technology exists. Pretty tough to connect those dots when one actually starts looking at reality.

Yup - 10+ million per mod. 3 crew down to 2 (which matches the rest of the industry). Not that same as 2 down to 1.
You've been telling us all how easy this is and it's coming in 10 years. But, you have yet to answer any of the "reality check" questions I asked you or tell us who is going to pay for this and why they would do that, given the current state of technology and the cost involved versus the benefit.

We're still waiting.

Name User

Jesus dude it's a prediction it's impossible to "back it up". What are you looking for, a magic 8 ball reading? Pull that stick out and loosen up. My point was to bring the tech into the forefront, and show that no, you don't need a special new airframe to make this stuff work. It exists, it works, and it will be impacting our careers in the future. None of what you've suggested will nix single pilot.

Adlerdriver

You ignore the power of the almighty $$. Until it saves someone money and they're willing to pay for the mod, that in and of itself will "nix" it (at least on an industry wide commercial scale). Keep us appraised on how it comes along. We'll check in with you in another 25 years or so.

wilco811

Not gonna happen. Don’t even see self driving cars in 20 years. In 20 years all these cars ands trucks are driverless? Laughable! The trains won’t even be automated in 20 years. They’ll never be able to make a computer better than the human brain.