Anyone getting hired without a degree?
05-30-2017, 06:37 PM
#181
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I would like to address the guy they said it is wise to fly first then get the degree. I got my degree first then went to the regionals. I had a few friends that I trained with go straight to the regionals. They upgraded within a few short years and obviously had much more 121 time then I did after a 5 or so year mark after we got our certificates.
Flash forward roughly 10 years later and I was the first of a maybe 8 guys from my training days to get hired by a legacy. Those that went to the regionals with no degree are either still there, or at a ULCC or an ACMI carrier.
On top of that I know even more guys WITH degrees that can't get a call from DL, UA, AA, FedEx, etc. So a degree seems to be an obvious requirement but it's not a silver bullet to a legacy job either.
Flash forward roughly 10 years later and I was the first of a maybe 8 guys from my training days to get hired by a legacy. Those that went to the regionals with no degree are either still there, or at a ULCC or an ACMI carrier.
On top of that I know even more guys WITH degrees that can't get a call from DL, UA, AA, FedEx, etc. So a degree seems to be an obvious requirement but it's not a silver bullet to a legacy job either.
Legacy new hire did the 'fly first' program. Regional CA at 23. College degree in his late 20's. Hired five years younger than the avg new hire. Retires around #100 if not better.
The longer you're on a seniority list the better your career will be. That requires getting hired as young as possible. Right now it looks like the AA WO is perhaps the fastest path.
05-31-2017, 08:06 PM
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In brief it went something about like this:
The most senior TWA got an offset of typically about 10 years. (i.e. 30 years TWA was set at seniority of a 20 years AA).
The pilots with less than about 20 years with TWA got stapled to the bottom. (i.e. 20 years and less TWA was stapled, in order, under the less than 1 year hire AA). So a 20 year TWA had a number below the less than 1 year hire AA.
The last TWA furloughed pilots after 9/11 (Sept 11, 2001) et. al. finally got recalled May 2016, fifteen long years later.
The TWA FA were cut an even worse deal. The very senior most TWA FA (40 years) was right below the less than 1 year hire AA FA.
Now I need to put a bandaid on that open wound I just picked at.
The most senior TWA got an offset of typically about 10 years. (i.e. 30 years TWA was set at seniority of a 20 years AA).
The pilots with less than about 20 years with TWA got stapled to the bottom. (i.e. 20 years and less TWA was stapled, in order, under the less than 1 year hire AA). So a 20 year TWA had a number below the less than 1 year hire AA.
The last TWA furloughed pilots after 9/11 (Sept 11, 2001) et. al. finally got recalled May 2016, fifteen long years later.
The TWA FA were cut an even worse deal. The very senior most TWA FA (40 years) was right below the less than 1 year hire AA FA.
Now I need to put a bandaid on that open wound I just picked at.
06-01-2017, 05:24 AM
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Transworld - "The pilots with less than about 20 years with TWA got stapled to the bottom. (i.e. 20 years and less TWA was stapled, in order, under the less than 1 year hire AA). So a 20 year TWA had a number below the less than 1 year hire AA."
The list gets confusing (merging of AA, TW, US, AW) but it looks like the staple line was at 3/20/1989. It was approx half of the TWA list, or approx 1150(??) pilots.
They slotted into the AA list at 4/13(??)/2001.
The list gets confusing (merging of AA, TW, US, AW) but it looks like the staple line was at 3/20/1989. It was approx half of the TWA list, or approx 1150(??) pilots.
They slotted into the AA list at 4/13(??)/2001.
06-01-2017, 08:00 AM
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Only those on the "right equipment". That would have been the A300 series, or some B727 crewmembers flying the Northeast Shuttle. Delta cherry picked the aircraft (and the associated Pan Am pilots who were on that aircraft) that they wanted. Meanwhile, the more senior B747 pilots got to do the seniority reset at B747 non-sked operators, and enjoy spending time at the "5 Clowns" with all the complimentary donuts and cereal they could stand.
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