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05-25-2017, 01:21 AM
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Two additional points to factor in:
1. Same data show people in the poor and lower middle classes live less than these numbers on average. People in upper middle class (i.e. airline pilots) live on average significantly longer. Why? Better lifestyles, more proactive medical treatments.
2. Data is for the entire population. If you do not consider those with already significant health problems at age 65 (pilots that would be on medical disability) the remainder would live longer.
How much longer I do not know. And with medical advances, lives are being extended every year. (Those of us nearing retirement remember as kids when there was no such thing as heart surgery and cancer was generally a death sentence.) Of course while we are talking about averages, some die the day after they reach 65, others make it to 100. YMMV
Bottom line, the bulk of the airline pilots who hanged it up at 65 (or even 67) will enjoy quite a few years of retirement.
(Just for reference, in 1900 in the US the average life expectancy was 46. The greatest causes of death were influenza and diarrhea. (Seriously.). Most people did not live long enough to get cancer or heart disease. When social security was established in the 1930s, the average life expectancy of men was 62 and women was 65 -- hence we get those famous 62 and 65 ages in social security. The social security bet was half of the people paying in would die before they collected a penny. My grandparents lived an average of 73 years. My parents, 91. I will invite you all to my 100th birthday party!)
1. Same data show people in the poor and lower middle classes live less than these numbers on average. People in upper middle class (i.e. airline pilots) live on average significantly longer. Why? Better lifestyles, more proactive medical treatments.
2. Data is for the entire population. If you do not consider those with already significant health problems at age 65 (pilots that would be on medical disability) the remainder would live longer.
How much longer I do not know. And with medical advances, lives are being extended every year. (Those of us nearing retirement remember as kids when there was no such thing as heart surgery and cancer was generally a death sentence.) Of course while we are talking about averages, some die the day after they reach 65, others make it to 100. YMMV
Bottom line, the bulk of the airline pilots who hanged it up at 65 (or even 67) will enjoy quite a few years of retirement.
(Just for reference, in 1900 in the US the average life expectancy was 46. The greatest causes of death were influenza and diarrhea. (Seriously.). Most people did not live long enough to get cancer or heart disease. When social security was established in the 1930s, the average life expectancy of men was 62 and women was 65 -- hence we get those famous 62 and 65 ages in social security. The social security bet was half of the people paying in would die before they collected a penny. My grandparents lived an average of 73 years. My parents, 91. I will invite you all to my 100th birthday party!)
05-25-2017, 06:22 AM
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He wants to die (the editor's words not his) at age 75. My father went to the gym up until a couple of years before he passed away at age 88. My mother absolutely loved visiting on the phone (her main pastime since I was a child) until a couple of years before she passed away at age 94. Most people I know past age 75 would strongly disagree with this man. Sure, there comes a time when a DNR (Do Not Resuscitate) order, or even declining treatment for cancer or heart disease, is appropriate. But for most, this isn't it.
05-25-2017, 06:38 AM
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He wants you to die right when you run out of money and become a burden on the system. On average, people will be at this stage seven years after retirement. Someday the USA will be just like India where you will survive as long as you can since no one wants to conribute to the wellfare of others.
05-25-2017, 07:27 AM
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I assume you know who the author of this article is, and his involvement in the Affordable Care Act.
He wants to die (the editor's words not his) at age 75. My father went to the gym up until a couple of years before he passed away at age 88. My mother absolutely loved visiting on the phone (her main pastime since I was a child) until a couple of years before she passed away at age 94. Most people I know past age 75 would strongly disagree with this man. Sure, there comes a time when a DNR (Do Not Resuscitate) order, or even declining treatment for cancer or heart disease, is appropriate. But for most, this isn't it.
He wants to die (the editor's words not his) at age 75. My father went to the gym up until a couple of years before he passed away at age 88. My mother absolutely loved visiting on the phone (her main pastime since I was a child) until a couple of years before she passed away at age 94. Most people I know past age 75 would strongly disagree with this man. Sure, there comes a time when a DNR (Do Not Resuscitate) order, or even declining treatment for cancer or heart disease, is appropriate. But for most, this isn't it.
You missed my point. You're championing for all of these 'extra' years of life. Most of those extra years suck for most Americans. Your father was an exception. Medicine can add an extra quantity of years, but much of that addition is not quality years. You don't mention what your mom's health was mobile in the last years.
My mom 'existed' in the last 6 years of her life in nursing homes. She saved enough money in her life that she was self-pay so they were decent nursing homes. I visited her many, many times in nursing homes. Nursing homes, even the best of them, are depressing human warehouses. I would have preferred going like my dad; massive heart attack in the middle of the night in his 60s while he still had all of his mental faculties and no physical limitations. YMMV.
Perhaps you'll live just fine to your mid-90s. Perhaps not. What I have seen, and there's enough data out there to back it up is that past your mid-70s, it becomes a pretty big dice roll as to your mental and physical health. Visit a few nursing homes and find out the ages of their residents - decide if that life existence is worth it.
05-25-2017, 07:32 AM
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He wants you to die right when you run out of money and become a burden on the system. On average, people will be at this stage seven years after retirement. Someday the USA will be just like India where you will survive as long as you can since no one wants to conribute to the wellfare of others.
05-25-2017, 08:26 AM
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Transworld - age adjusted from 50%th income to pilot salaries (90-95%) the life expectancy increase is about 6 yrs for men (86) and about 4 yrs (87-88) for women.
For life expectancy, money matters | Harvard Gazette
For life expectancy, money matters | Harvard Gazette
05-25-2017, 11:05 AM
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Visit some nursing homes and then tell me how compassionate it is to let people live like that. Most aren't like what you see in 'A Place for Mom' commercials. Especially visit the ones that are paid for by the government ... my mom ended up in one of those right after she had a stroke. We (family members) got her out as fast as we could, but it was the most depressing human warehouse I've ever visited.
There are some very bad nursing homes and some very good. I checked recommendations to get her in a good one. As her son, I felt that was an important job. Some residents were on private pay and some were on government Medicaid. I never could tell the difference in care or how they were treated. The nursing staff were not permitted to know which was which, only the office staff knew that.
It never was 'home', she was not in her home of 63 years my parents built. After she adjusted, though, she was okay being there and praised many on the nursing staff. Up until the last year when she really declined, it was hard to get her on the phone, you got a busy signal as she talked to longtime childhood friends.
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05-26-2017, 01:27 PM
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It is considered a family affair, not govt.
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