Enough is enough. Just stop. Guard.
04-19-2017, 07:22 AM
#81
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Uh huh. And how do you ever expect them to realize that?
I'm a regional CA. Kids these days... They'll never know...
My mentors flew in WWII. (Yeah, I'm old.)
Lord, I could go off on a tear. But keeping it short, these kids aren't going to uphold any standards unless we show them what the standards are.
So, to all you older farts who are complaining about the new-hires, lead by example. I've gotten a fair amount of feedback from my newer FO's that makes me think we influence their decisions more than we realize. I've been told multiple times how nice it is not to be told to turn the AP on immediately after take-off, and how letting them fly the airplane instead of telling the airplane where to go does wonders for their self-confidence.
Let them try to think through the challenges on their leg. They'll get the hang of it, and instead of doing whatever the CA says, they'll develop their own ideas. Don't like it? Well, they're going to be in charge in a couple of years. Make the most of the opportunity you have to direct them and show them how to handle potential problems.
They'll be alright. (And it can't be avoided.) Just realize it's your burden to help them along to reach that plane of being a "professional pilot".
I'm a regional CA. Kids these days... They'll never know...
My mentors flew in WWII. (Yeah, I'm old.)
Lord, I could go off on a tear. But keeping it short, these kids aren't going to uphold any standards unless we show them what the standards are.
So, to all you older farts who are complaining about the new-hires, lead by example. I've gotten a fair amount of feedback from my newer FO's that makes me think we influence their decisions more than we realize. I've been told multiple times how nice it is not to be told to turn the AP on immediately after take-off, and how letting them fly the airplane instead of telling the airplane where to go does wonders for their self-confidence.
Let them try to think through the challenges on their leg. They'll get the hang of it, and instead of doing whatever the CA says, they'll develop their own ideas. Don't like it? Well, they're going to be in charge in a couple of years. Make the most of the opportunity you have to direct them and show them how to handle potential problems.
They'll be alright. (And it can't be avoided.) Just realize it's your burden to help them along to reach that plane of being a "professional pilot".
04-19-2017, 09:52 AM
#83
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The point is you knowingly left out legacy carriers because, well obviously, they are so much better and more mature. If it isn't RJ drivers than it must be the LCC's and ULCC's. The childish and self-righteous part is pointing the finger elsewhere. I'm sure every airline has some...even Frontier, though with Frontier it is probably a very small percentage as the pilot would have to actively make that decision and not be baited by the passive monitoring. A lot of pilots were RJ drivers before they moved up, and several are "stuck" in that position due to industry changes that were outside their control, combined with their current age. Its not the airplane, its not the airline, its the pilot.
My feelers are just fine, thanks for thinking of them though.
My feelers are just fine, thanks for thinking of them though.
Basically its a proportion numbers game. Certainly at a regional you have a far greater possibility for guard trolling. But I wanted to point out that LCC and ULCC will certainly fall in the spectrum of possible trollers. Mainline guys seem to interested in their second house and boat and RV and hot car and alimony, to worry about trolling on guard.
Interstingly enough, this would not be complete without mentioning the fact that sometimes the guard troll is last guy you would expect. A silent caper. Quiet and harmless, then BAM! He strikes!
Carry on
04-19-2017, 12:15 PM
#84
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I especially dislike when some new FO tries to call company, not realizing they didn't switch radio 2 off of 121.5 and some jerkoff says, "go ahead."
And then the guard follies ensue for 2-3 minutes.
I certainly hope that stuff isn't happening if I'm ever in my taildragger with an emergency. Or anyone else, for that matter.
TOTD? Anyone who says, "go ahead" to lure that FO into a diatribe on guard.
And then the guard follies ensue for 2-3 minutes.
I certainly hope that stuff isn't happening if I'm ever in my taildragger with an emergency. Or anyone else, for that matter.
TOTD? Anyone who says, "go ahead" to lure that FO into a diatribe on guard.
04-19-2017, 04:31 PM
#85
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I didn't think east coast guard was bad until I started crossing the pond. Kazakhstan to Hong Kong is 4-5 hours over mainland China where it's nonstop chatter in Chinese on the active frequency (and you can't turn that off). Pakistan/Kolkata/Bangladesh is 3 hrs of squeeling over-amplified radio frequencies that will make your ears bleed. One thing you don't hear however, is chatter on guard. It seems to be a problem isolated to US. On occasion, you hear a wrong transmission on guard over Western Europe, and 9/10 times the "you're on guard" reply is in an American voice.
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04-19-2017, 06:05 PM
#86
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I can honestly say I have never heard anyone at Spirit that I've flown with even entertain playing on guard frequency. Just doesn't seem to be a source of entertainment over here.
04-19-2017, 07:31 PM
#87
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I have heard of one guy at SkyWest broadcasting fake GoJet ops messages on guard. I suspect that it is literally a handful of idiots at every airline (regional, LCC, major, cargo, corporate) that is messing around on guard. KNOCK IT THE ******* OFF
04-19-2017, 09:16 PM
#88
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Uh huh. And how do you ever expect them to realize that?
I'm a regional CA. Kids these days... They'll never know...
My mentors flew in WWII. (Yeah, I'm old.)
Lord, I could go off on a tear. But keeping it short, these kids aren't going to uphold any standards unless we show them what the standards are.
So, to all you older farts who are complaining about the new-hires, lead by example. I've gotten a fair amount of feedback from my newer FO's that makes me think we influence their decisions more than we realize. I've been told multiple times how nice it is not to be told to turn the AP on immediately after take-off, and how letting them fly the airplane instead of telling the airplane where to go does wonders for their self-confidence.
Let them try to think through the challenges on their leg. They'll get the hang of it, and instead of doing whatever the CA says, they'll develop their own ideas. Don't like it? Well, they're going to be in charge in a couple of years. Make the most of the opportunity you have to direct them and show them how to handle potential problems.
They'll be alright. (And it can't be avoided.) Just realize it's your burden to help them along to reach that plane of being a "professional pilot".
I'm a regional CA. Kids these days... They'll never know...
My mentors flew in WWII. (Yeah, I'm old.)
Lord, I could go off on a tear. But keeping it short, these kids aren't going to uphold any standards unless we show them what the standards are.
So, to all you older farts who are complaining about the new-hires, lead by example. I've gotten a fair amount of feedback from my newer FO's that makes me think we influence their decisions more than we realize. I've been told multiple times how nice it is not to be told to turn the AP on immediately after take-off, and how letting them fly the airplane instead of telling the airplane where to go does wonders for their self-confidence.
Let them try to think through the challenges on their leg. They'll get the hang of it, and instead of doing whatever the CA says, they'll develop their own ideas. Don't like it? Well, they're going to be in charge in a couple of years. Make the most of the opportunity you have to direct them and show them how to handle potential problems.
They'll be alright. (And it can't be avoided.) Just realize it's your burden to help them along to reach that plane of being a "professional pilot".
04-21-2017, 04:03 PM
#90
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Nice little thread we've got going here. I never said I personally act that way, (yes I may be guilty of a few delta or gojet or psa jabs occasionally) I'm saying I can understand if the people doing it act that way. I have a good attitude about it so listening to it doesn't bother me. You can tell pilots to do the right thing all day long, but if you (managements) don't treat them professionally and make them feel undervalued (including pay) they're going to do whatever they want. If it is mainline guys doing it, that's just funny
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