Enough is enough. Just stop. Guard.
#72
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#73
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Joined APC: Jan 2013
Position: Q400, B-737
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I'm a regional CA. Kids these days... They'll never know...
My mentors flew in WWII. (Yeah, I'm old.)
Lord, I could go off on a tear. But keeping it short, these kids aren't going to uphold any standards unless we show them what the standards are.
So, to all you older farts who are complaining about the new-hires, lead by example. I've gotten a fair amount of feedback from my newer FO's that makes me think we influence their decisions more than we realize. I've been told multiple times how nice it is not to be told to turn the AP on immediately after take-off, and how letting them fly the airplane instead of telling the airplane where to go does wonders for their self-confidence.
Let them try to think through the challenges on their leg. They'll get the hang of it, and instead of doing whatever the CA says, they'll develop their own ideas. Don't like it? Well, they're going to be in charge in a couple of years. Make the most of the opportunity you have to direct them and show them how to handle potential problems.
They'll be alright. (And it can't be avoided.) Just realize it's your burden to help them along to reach that plane of being a "professional pilot".
#74
Uh huh. And how do you ever expect them to realize that?
I'm a regional CA. Kids these days... They'll never know...
My mentors flew in WWII. (Yeah, I'm old.)
Lord, I could go off on a tear. But keeping it short, these kids aren't going to uphold any standards unless we show them what the standards are.
So, to all you older farts who are complaining about the new-hires, lead by example. I've gotten a fair amount of feedback from my newer FO's that makes me think we influence their decisions more than we realize. I've been told multiple times how nice it is not to be told to turn the AP on immediately after take-off, and how letting them fly the airplane instead of telling the airplane where to go does wonders for their self-confidence.
Let them try to think through the challenges on their leg. They'll get the hang of it, and instead of doing whatever the CA says, they'll develop their own ideas. Don't like it? Well, they're going to be in charge in a couple of years. Make the most of the opportunity you have to direct them and show them how to handle potential problems.
They'll be alright. (And it can't be avoided.) Just realize it's your burden to help them along to reach that plane of being a "professional pilot".
I'm a regional CA. Kids these days... They'll never know...
My mentors flew in WWII. (Yeah, I'm old.)
Lord, I could go off on a tear. But keeping it short, these kids aren't going to uphold any standards unless we show them what the standards are.
So, to all you older farts who are complaining about the new-hires, lead by example. I've gotten a fair amount of feedback from my newer FO's that makes me think we influence their decisions more than we realize. I've been told multiple times how nice it is not to be told to turn the AP on immediately after take-off, and how letting them fly the airplane instead of telling the airplane where to go does wonders for their self-confidence.
Let them try to think through the challenges on their leg. They'll get the hang of it, and instead of doing whatever the CA says, they'll develop their own ideas. Don't like it? Well, they're going to be in charge in a couple of years. Make the most of the opportunity you have to direct them and show them how to handle potential problems.
They'll be alright. (And it can't be avoided.) Just realize it's your burden to help them along to reach that plane of being a "professional pilot".
#75
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Joined APC: Jan 2013
Position: Q400, B-737
Posts: 324
Live it, people. We've got nothing go apologize for afterwards....
#76
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Posts: 662
I guess that's the same rationale used by regional pilots who dress like slobs, wear ear buds, sunglasses on the back of their necks, no ties, black tennis shoes, etc.
"Pay me like a pro and I'll act like a pro."
Guess what, Skippy...the day you cashed your first airline paycheck, YOU WERE A PROFESSIONAL AIRLINE PILOT.
Act like it.
"Pay me like a pro and I'll act like a pro."
Guess what, Skippy...the day you cashed your first airline paycheck, YOU WERE A PROFESSIONAL AIRLINE PILOT.
Act like it.
#77
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Ok ladies and gentlemen,
Enough is enough. For years we have listened to the escalating sophomoric chatter on guard. It is only getting worse. We are a captive audience, forced to listen to this garbage. Worse yet, ATC is listening as well. At the very least these childish back and fourths block the frequency for someone who might really need it. They prevent it from being used to locate aircraft who have missed a handoff. But I think most importantly, it is an unprofessional distraction that paints us - all of us - in a bad light.
I would like to call upon all of you, Captains and First Officers alike to do something simple. If your flying partner is screwing around on guard, tell them to knock it off. It's childish. It isn't funny. We can joke around all we want in the cockpit, but transmitting our amateur comedy for the world to hear is destructive.
If someone mistakenly calls ops on guard. Just let it go. Nobody needs to have a hair trigger to correct them. They will figure it out when they don't get a response. But just as bad as those that are spring loaded to shout "guard" are the copycat comedians that have to chime in too, ultimately ending in some stupid crack about Delta or "Dad".
Grow up. And demand the same level of maturity from those you fly with. If you agree, copy and share this post to your social media. Hopefully we can put an end to this practice.
/rant
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Enough is enough. For years we have listened to the escalating sophomoric chatter on guard. It is only getting worse. We are a captive audience, forced to listen to this garbage. Worse yet, ATC is listening as well. At the very least these childish back and fourths block the frequency for someone who might really need it. They prevent it from being used to locate aircraft who have missed a handoff. But I think most importantly, it is an unprofessional distraction that paints us - all of us - in a bad light.
I would like to call upon all of you, Captains and First Officers alike to do something simple. If your flying partner is screwing around on guard, tell them to knock it off. It's childish. It isn't funny. We can joke around all we want in the cockpit, but transmitting our amateur comedy for the world to hear is destructive.
If someone mistakenly calls ops on guard. Just let it go. Nobody needs to have a hair trigger to correct them. They will figure it out when they don't get a response. But just as bad as those that are spring loaded to shout "guard" are the copycat comedians that have to chime in too, ultimately ending in some stupid crack about Delta or "Dad".
Grow up. And demand the same level of maturity from those you fly with. If you agree, copy and share this post to your social media. Hopefully we can put an end to this practice.
/rant
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#79
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Joined APC: Oct 2008
Posts: 1,530
It's not regional guys doin it, it's definitely mainline. Guard is an old timer thing, nobody uses it anymore. We're not even suppose to tune it on standby
#80
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Joined APC: Sep 2016
Posts: 400
But sometimes it's just so hard to be good. Like when you hear a fractional guy mistakenly try to check in with the front desk girl at the FBO, and you're really on your game, and you key the mic and in your best lady voice say, "Go ahead, Netjets." And then he proceeds to give the whole laundry list: coffee, ice, papers, catering, departing in an hour, etc. etc. And then everybody let's him have it, and he feels like a total idiot!
Not that I've ever done that to anybody, because that would be cruel ...
Not that I've ever done that to anybody, because that would be cruel ...
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