Albief15

Now that I've run you out of gas, terrorized my crew and ATC, I think I'll retire to first class and hand over this bucket of goo to someone else. Personally--I think its Miller Time!......

WOW. Don't remember that technique from CRM class....

757Driver

Not sure what's to be mixed in the sentiments department?

If you've spoken with either Chuck or Pat regarding this than you know what really happened. BTW the F/O who missed the DHD on this debacle had his own set of problems and is on a psych leave to this day. Another topic that paragraphs could be written about as well and voila' a scab as well.

A320fumes

75:

I just thought it was interesting. I read everything I could find about CAL during my 1st year, I was just surprised that I never heard of this one. I tend to lean towards your opinion though.

Fokker28

What of the FO's and SO's comments? Are they fabricated?

greedyairlineexec

I still don't understand why a 747-400 pilot is as an expert on a plane he is not qualified on or has helped designed or flight test.

the reason that plane at the air show crashed was pilor error. the plane was on alpha floor protection, there is a big red indication of that on the PFD, to come out of alpha floor protection you need to go TOGA, he went toga too late because he was a moron and killed a buch of people.

Whaledriver101

Sounds like he was a "trouble maker". Empoyers tend to rid themselves of them after awhile.

FLYBOYMATTHEW

Correction...
Alpha Floor is available from takeoff through 100' R.A. It is a function of the A/THR system and automatically provides TOGA thrust (without pilot input) when critical AOA is approached. A. FLOOR changes to TOGA LK when the AOA is reduced. The pilot need not touch the TLs to get TOGA thrust, only to recover from TOGA LK. The air show low pass debacle was supposed to be performed at 200'. The showboating pilot performed the low pass/Alpha Floor demonstration at less than 100', a regime where Alpha Floor is unavailable by design (for landing). By the time he realized his predicament, he pushed the thrust levers up to TOGA...far too late and too slow to account for spool up time. If you watch the video, you can hear the engines spool as it flies into the trees...because he was slow on the power, not because of A. FLOOR. The aircraft never entered A. FLOOR.

PILOTGUY

The lag on the spool should have been almost non-existant at the power levels that would have been required to maintain a lowspeed, dirty flight configuration. At flight idle, you would have a very valid point. Level flight, slow and dirty would take in excess of 70% power, which would give the engines almost instant response to TL inputs requiring more power. Since nobody here was in the cockpit, you can not, in anyway shape or form, determine when the TLs were pushed forward.

And yes, the FDR is nothing more than a big computer storing information. Since it is a computer, it CAN be edited. So I do not care when the FDR says the TLs were pushed forward.

Do a little research of your own. Airbus has issues all the time while flying. You could start with the A340 going off the runway in Toronto. The ENTIRE passenger cabin went dark just before landing, but that never really seems to be reported. It has happened before, but a lid is always kept on it.

greedyairlineexec

you're right FLYBOY, going by memry with all the laws and protections does not work for me

FLYBOYMATTHEW

It can be determined with a reasonable amount of certainty that the TLs were pushed up TOO LATE. That was not a result of design limitations or flaws of the aircraft.

CRJs have had more than their fair share of instrument panel fires, but nobody seems to label that airplane. Most aircraft have some sort of shortcomings. The Airbus has had a higher percentage of "stupid pilot trick" accidents and incidents that have resulted from not understanding the automation, largely because it is different than that on many other a/c. I'm not French, I just think the bashing is largely unfounded.