Ski Patrol

The age 30 thing was before my time. But according to this guy I knew, he did not get the job at United because they told him straight up he was too old. I think he was early 30's at the time it was the late 70's.

USMCFLYR

[quote=SkyHigh;543970]Oh no dear Sky. It is not I that needs to research as I am not the one making false claims and passing them as fact.

USMCFLYR

USMCFLYR

I asked you to point me to some factual information Sky. If it is true then I want to see it. Sorry Sky - but for all of your wordly knowledge, I don't take WELL SKY SAID IT as factual. You don't need DE providing your data. Just point me to some historical data or something. If it was indeed true and pilots (especially military pilots) didn't get hired on if they we re older than 30 then I will come back on this very thread and say that you were right.

USMCFLYR

de727ups

"You never come back with a, "good job skyhigh" or a "you really nailed me with that one". A pat on the back once in a while would be nice that is all."

Good job, USMC, you have clearly won this debate. I pat you on the back....

SkyHigh

Man I wish I could find some of this stuff and have hard data for you and many others here. It is difficult to find. Like I said before I do not have a researchers working for me to dig up references and factual data for every post. No one else is asked to do that either. On the occasion that I do have a reference most choose to ignore it anyway. Therefore you will either have to accept my statements or search it out for yourself.

Statement:

Up until the late 1980's legacy airlines turned all pilots away who were older than 30, had less than 20/20 vision and were not height and weight proportional.

DE727UPS has yet to deny it because he knows that it is an accurate statement. Why don't you ask him?

SkyHigh

SkyHigh

I remember well that United Airlines had a height and weight chart that they published. There were strict weight limitations that had to be met. They also had vision and other health requirements. A local woman pilot likes to tell of how she was rejected from Alaska Airlines because they thought that she was too short.

It seems crazy from today's perspective however in the past airlines screened heavily on physical attributes and less on pilot experience. Since discrimination laws have come into effect they hired just about anyone. People who are, fat, short, wear thick glasses or are disabled can even get hired now as commercial airline pilots. Old timers have had the maximum age pushed to 65 and probably will have it erased altogether in the next ten years.

What an age we now live in. As a result the airlines today have to use other measures to screen applicants like astronomical minimums for some and nepotism for others.

Skyhigh

scarface

In regards to the military pilot versus 30 cut off point, 30 was a real cut off for most carriers. Back then(in the early 70s) the obligation was 3 to 3.5 years after wings, at least Marines/navy, so you'd have a narrow window of opportunity after release. What you flew was of prime importance because the airlines weren't interested in certain airframes so recovery time was minimal. Keep in mind these were the days when stewardesses had to be gone by 35 and had to weigh less than the airplane.

USMCFLYR

I don't know why you l think I have a staff of researchers at my disposal either Sky or why I would waste my time looking up fcts to support YOUR statements. Kind of like law - you make the accusation - it is up to you to prove it. Maybe you should search the forums more outside of the 'Leaving the career' - where if others make factual statements like yours they are asked for references. I'll tell you what Sky - if I make factual statements like yours I will be sure to have some data outside of my own opinion to back it up. If you want to say that a person you know or a person you heard or a statememnt off of a another forum is reasearch then I came can up with my facts to refute yours.
The above has nothing to do with the military Sky. Quit dodging the question. to refresh you - we are not talking about about the 30 year old question or the 20/20 vision. I've laready said that I don't know one way or another. I asked you if it applied to the military poilots who stayed longer than one year or got out after multiple tours but before retirement.
The factual information I asked you for was your assertion that most military pilots got out after one tour to fly for the airlines. I even asked you for the scene out of the movie which you have not provided yet.

USMCFLYR

de727ups

No USMC, it's a fact. If you watch "An Officier and a Gentlelman" Richard Gere's sargent major screams "Before any of you pleebs gets to United Airlines, you gotta get through me". Therefore, all military pilots back in those days just did one tour to get to the airlines. What more research do you want? Watch the movie....

USMCFLYR

Well he says that only steers and queers come out of Oklahoma too - and we know that isn't true!

USMCFLYR