Thousands of Doctors say they would leave profession if they could.....
11-28-2008, 07:04 PM
#112
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I'm sure it's relatively common for doctors to make $300K. I'm just skeptical that it can be done in such an impossibly short period of time. I'm really interested in hearing the details of TM's timeline for medical school.
11-29-2008, 12:32 AM
#113
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I'm just a little confused about the timing here. If you started med school applications immediately after 9/11, you couldn't have started med school before 2002. Wouldn't that only make you a third-year resident at this point? Your various posts make it sound like you already had an established practice of your own; you've mentioned your "payor base" as early as March.
Medical school requires one year each of chemistry, organic chemistry, biology and physics. Some of those can be taken concurrently but chem and o-chem have to be taken sequentially. I don't even see how you could have started med school by 2002 if all you had on 9/11/01 was "some online coursework in science."
Even if you had your prerequisites completed by 9/11/01, how did you take the MCAT in time? The MCAT was offered only twice a year, in April and August, back then. All med schools require the August test for admission in fall of the following year. If you didn't decide to take the test until 9/11/01, I don't see how you could have started med school earlier than 2003. You would have graduated in 2007, and in private practice by March of 2008? How many doctors graduate from medical school and make $300K nine months later, with no residency?
Not trying to be skepitcal, just interested in the details of how you accomplished so much in so little time.
Medical school requires one year each of chemistry, organic chemistry, biology and physics. Some of those can be taken concurrently but chem and o-chem have to be taken sequentially. I don't even see how you could have started med school by 2002 if all you had on 9/11/01 was "some online coursework in science."
Even if you had your prerequisites completed by 9/11/01, how did you take the MCAT in time? The MCAT was offered only twice a year, in April and August, back then. All med schools require the August test for admission in fall of the following year. If you didn't decide to take the test until 9/11/01, I don't see how you could have started med school earlier than 2003. You would have graduated in 2007, and in private practice by March of 2008? How many doctors graduate from medical school and make $300K nine months later, with no residency?
Not trying to be skepitcal, just interested in the details of how you accomplished so much in so little time.
You assume that I waited until after 9/11 to take the MCATs. I took it both times PRIOR to 9/11, and i'm out of residency-thanks.
If you guys put as much effort into helping others here as you do trying to find holes in my story-you'd win a humanitarian medal. I offered de727ups a guided tour, if you're interested-you can join us.
11-29-2008, 07:45 AM
#114
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"trying to find holes in my story"
A little sensitive there, aren't we?
I think it's fair for the people you are trying to help, APC readers, to understand the process. Who are you really helping if you make it look like it's seven years from pilot to a 300K doctor? You wouldn't want to mislead anyone to enhance your arguments, here, I'm sure.
And while you seem take it personal that someone is simply trying to understand how you got where you are (the process). The OP who titled this thread, and started this discussion, was trying to "help others" to the same extent you are.
A little sensitive there, aren't we?
I think it's fair for the people you are trying to help, APC readers, to understand the process. Who are you really helping if you make it look like it's seven years from pilot to a 300K doctor? You wouldn't want to mislead anyone to enhance your arguments, here, I'm sure.
And while you seem take it personal that someone is simply trying to understand how you got where you are (the process). The OP who titled this thread, and started this discussion, was trying to "help others" to the same extent you are.
11-29-2008, 09:38 AM
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Yes I did assume you took the MCAT after 9/11. Thank you for correcting me, and I apologize if I caused any offense.
But this is precisely the timeline detail that I am interested in. When did you take the MCAT? When did you take the basic science prerequisites? When did you start applications? When did you start medical school, graduate, and start residency? Complete residency, and which one?
I am not trying to find holes in your story. I have been genuinely interested in a career in medicine myself. In fact I started the process many years ago, spending many months researching my options ans asking questions, which is why I know so much about the process. I still think about it, and I want to understand things that may have changed since I was researching the process many years ago.
And I'm sorry, but MCAT aside, I still don't see how you could have started medical school AFTER 9/11, graduated, finished residency, and been in private practice by March 2008. Medical school is four years, and the shortest residency is three. There is obviously something I don't know or understand, and I am anxious to be enlightened.
But this is precisely the timeline detail that I am interested in. When did you take the MCAT? When did you take the basic science prerequisites? When did you start applications? When did you start medical school, graduate, and start residency? Complete residency, and which one?
I am not trying to find holes in your story. I have been genuinely interested in a career in medicine myself. In fact I started the process many years ago, spending many months researching my options ans asking questions, which is why I know so much about the process. I still think about it, and I want to understand things that may have changed since I was researching the process many years ago.
And I'm sorry, but MCAT aside, I still don't see how you could have started medical school AFTER 9/11, graduated, finished residency, and been in private practice by March 2008. Medical school is four years, and the shortest residency is three. There is obviously something I don't know or understand, and I am anxious to be enlightened.
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11-29-2008, 10:02 AM
#116
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Something smells fishy to me.
<name calling removed>, where did you go to med school? Dates?
Where did you do your residency? Dates?
What is your specialty?
If you are really a Dr, you should be able to answer this question:
how many nurses does it take to ruin a marriage?
<name calling removed>, where did you go to med school? Dates?
Where did you do your residency? Dates?
What is your specialty?
If you are really a Dr, you should be able to answer this question:
how many nurses does it take to ruin a marriage?
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11-29-2008, 11:06 AM
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Actually it's not. Especially with only a few years of experience. If an individual is in private practice and not part of a group that is splitting costs for malpractice insurance, the take home pay is even less.
PayScale ? Doctor of Medicine (MD) Degree ? Doctor of Medicine Salary
Practitioners such as surgeons that require many more years of residencies do have a very high median salary of about $300k/yr.
Surgeon: Salary.com’s Salary Wizard™- Do you know what you're worth?
ER Doc: http://swz.salary.com/salarywizard/l...&cmbEducation=
($300k/yr is beyond the 90% percentile)
I am not calling Tony a liar by any means. It's sure possible he is living the dream and pulling in $300k/yr, but it is certainly not the norm.(Especially right out of school) Offering the guarantee that making the switch will result in that kind of life is misleading to say the least.
PayScale ? Doctor of Medicine (MD) Degree ? Doctor of Medicine Salary
Practitioners such as surgeons that require many more years of residencies do have a very high median salary of about $300k/yr.
Surgeon: Salary.com’s Salary Wizard™- Do you know what you're worth?
ER Doc: http://swz.salary.com/salarywizard/l...&cmbEducation=
($300k/yr is beyond the 90% percentile)
I am not calling Tony a liar by any means. It's sure possible he is living the dream and pulling in $300k/yr, but it is certainly not the norm.(Especially right out of school) Offering the guarantee that making the switch will result in that kind of life is misleading to say the least.
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11-29-2008, 11:30 AM
#118
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I was being sarcastic... in any case I really have no way to question how much TM says he makes. Although unlikely given the sources cited, it's within the realm of possibility that he is in the top 10%.
But what isn't even physically possible is to start med school AFTER 9/11/01 (meaning you couldn't start until the fall of 2002), complete four years of medical school, then complete even just three years of residency, and be established in private practice by March 2008.
I really am waiting to hear the details of how TM did this.
But what isn't even physically possible is to start med school AFTER 9/11/01 (meaning you couldn't start until the fall of 2002), complete four years of medical school, then complete even just three years of residency, and be established in private practice by March 2008.
I really am waiting to hear the details of how TM did this.
11-29-2008, 11:34 AM
#119
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Yep... I agree. And FYI I'm writing this from an office in the hospital I work at (No, I'm not an MD but I have a bit of knowledge on the subject).
12-01-2008, 09:23 AM
#120
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I am not trying to blow holes in anyone's story, however, this forum is titled, "leaving the career". I think anybody who has successfully left the career, for another, should detail exactly how they did it, for others, who are also interested in following the same path. There are quite a few, for example, who are interested in the medical field.
I can go up to the local hospital, and talk to any doctor, young, or old, and ask him when s/he took the MCAT, how/when he got the prerequisites for medical school, when he applied, where he attended, when he graduated, what residency he went through, and when he finished that, etc., and they would be willing, and able to answer all of those questions, without thinking about it. I don't think those are off the wall questions, for someone interested in the medical field, and should be easy for someone to answer, who has done it.
I can go up to the local hospital, and talk to any doctor, young, or old, and ask him when s/he took the MCAT, how/when he got the prerequisites for medical school, when he applied, where he attended, when he graduated, what residency he went through, and when he finished that, etc., and they would be willing, and able to answer all of those questions, without thinking about it. I don't think those are off the wall questions, for someone interested in the medical field, and should be easy for someone to answer, who has done it.
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