Kalitta Pilots CBA update
06-22-2022, 04:02 PM
#531
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06-22-2022, 07:51 PM
#532
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The new training house is supposed to be state of the art, with all the buzzers and bells. But if the staff/instructors are not given a modern, useful syllabus,. With modern and contemporary subjects, taught by those who are passionate about mentoring and teaching, that new shiny building might as well be a garage. The “training” is really just a review, it is all self study and hope you pass. You are given the GOP, AOM Vol. 1-2, CBA, etc. etc. and expected to know it all in 2 months 4 FTD’s, 4 sim sessions. The instruction really comes in OE and beyond. Some of my instructors were getting the boot instead of the Covid poke. So they didn’t care one bit if I learned, passed, failed or for that matter keeled over dead. It was definitely not a good environment for learning. I’d really like to see them have a modern syllabus with focus. This was the least amount of effort on the companies part to train pilots that I’ve ever seen. We don’t have to hold hands across the finish line or have Sunday school dress up parties for graduates. But if you’ve lost pride in your job of teaching someone how to operate a B747/777 anywhere, anytime, do something else.
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THE KALITTA PILOT’S CBA: MARCH 2025
I hope our new MEC has got something great in the works. I hope they are ready to go to bat for a contract that makes Kalitta Air a destination. If we are 1/3 the size of Atlas and moving only 5% less than Atlas, we need to see how much we are appreciated by having a damn good contract. Show us the work rules, day rigs, double digit retirement, QOL at work, and show us the MONEY!
I hope the pilot group is willing to show true solidarity and let the MEC know what we expect from the company. And what we are willing to do for what is fair compensation/benefits for the job we do.
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THE KALITTA PILOT’S CBA: MARCH 2025
I hope our new MEC has got something great in the works. I hope they are ready to go to bat for a contract that makes Kalitta Air a destination. If we are 1/3 the size of Atlas and moving only 5% less than Atlas, we need to see how much we are appreciated by having a damn good contract. Show us the work rules, day rigs, double digit retirement, QOL at work, and show us the MONEY!
I hope the pilot group is willing to show true solidarity and let the MEC know what we expect from the company. And what we are willing to do for what is fair compensation/benefits for the job we do.
Get a couple thousand hours on the 4 engined 172, and then volunteer to make a difference by joining standards. You’ll soon learn how much cannot and will not change when it comes to the AQP syllabus due to the red tape from the FAA.
Solidarity!? Not in that group. Did you see any of that when they laid off 50 pilots, 100 plus mechanics and many others for not taking a shot? ALPO would even defend its own pilots. You obviously were there for the last contract debacle… sorry for shattering your dreams.
06-24-2022, 06:20 PM
#533
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I sure hope you put that in your anonymously submitted training survey, instead of just spouting off on the internet. From a former instructor that used to spend time in the FTD to help new hires get the procedures down before they started, without getting paid for it, and got the rug pulled out from under him with the shot nonsense, I find all you low time ACMI rockstars sound like a bunch entitled, whiney babies. You know how little participation in training surveys there were from the negative side; very little. The 400 Fleet Standards Captain took that stuff very seriously and addressed any instructor about issues that were brought up.
Get a couple thousand hours on the 4 engined 172, and then volunteer to make a difference by joining standards. You’ll soon learn how much cannot and will not change when it comes to the AQP syllabus due to the red tape from the FAA.
Solidarity!? Not in that group. Did you see any of that when they laid off 50 pilots, 100 plus mechanics and many others for not taking a shot? ALPO would even defend its own pilots. You obviously were there for the last contract debacle… sorry for shattering your dreams.
Get a couple thousand hours on the 4 engined 172, and then volunteer to make a difference by joining standards. You’ll soon learn how much cannot and will not change when it comes to the AQP syllabus due to the red tape from the FAA.
Solidarity!? Not in that group. Did you see any of that when they laid off 50 pilots, 100 plus mechanics and many others for not taking a shot? ALPO would even defend its own pilots. You obviously were there for the last contract debacle… sorry for shattering your dreams.
06-25-2022, 06:01 AM
#536
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Keep in mind things will eventually slow down in the freight business. When they do K4 will have long layovers. If you have some money in your pocket, long layovers are fantastic.
Many years ago I was a pretty new FO who was working with a Captain who believed in experiencing life. After a two day layover in Halle Germany one summer when things were slow, we went to a beach party on the River on a Friday. Got up the next morning had our very good free breakfast at the Dormero Hotel. Out to the Jet and over to JFK getting a 2 hour nap on the way. We arrive late afternoon on Saturday. Beautiful weather and cleared for the Carnassi VOR visual to the left. Hand flown out of 10,000. Had a super nice landing and as we roll out the Captain says, “this place isn’t very busy how about you taxi us to the gate”. As a new FO it was quite a rush. Customs clears us at the plane and we are on the way to the hotel. Captain tells us to meet downstairs in 30 minutes. Has the van take us to the Long Island Rail. We are in Times Square in a short while having dinner. I looked over at my crew mates as we sat outside haveing dinner and said “hard to believe we get paid to do this”. Lesson I took from that weekend was that I always strived to be That Captain when it was my turn.
I write this because there are a lot of K4 pilots who have never experienced the slow times. They are wonderful when you get the right destinations. 3 days in Paris, Leipzig, Santiago, Hong Kong (although I think that is gone). European rail service is cheap, reliable and frequent. Of course there are the times you get stuck at McGuire for 5 days, yuk. When times are slow Captains tend to mentor rather than rush and a lot of learning takes place as everyone is actually rested when they fly.
Enjoy the money now, take care of your health and be ready financially for when it gets slow. If you can take the schedule ACMI flying is great.
Many years ago I was a pretty new FO who was working with a Captain who believed in experiencing life. After a two day layover in Halle Germany one summer when things were slow, we went to a beach party on the River on a Friday. Got up the next morning had our very good free breakfast at the Dormero Hotel. Out to the Jet and over to JFK getting a 2 hour nap on the way. We arrive late afternoon on Saturday. Beautiful weather and cleared for the Carnassi VOR visual to the left. Hand flown out of 10,000. Had a super nice landing and as we roll out the Captain says, “this place isn’t very busy how about you taxi us to the gate”. As a new FO it was quite a rush. Customs clears us at the plane and we are on the way to the hotel. Captain tells us to meet downstairs in 30 minutes. Has the van take us to the Long Island Rail. We are in Times Square in a short while having dinner. I looked over at my crew mates as we sat outside haveing dinner and said “hard to believe we get paid to do this”. Lesson I took from that weekend was that I always strived to be That Captain when it was my turn.
I write this because there are a lot of K4 pilots who have never experienced the slow times. They are wonderful when you get the right destinations. 3 days in Paris, Leipzig, Santiago, Hong Kong (although I think that is gone). European rail service is cheap, reliable and frequent. Of course there are the times you get stuck at McGuire for 5 days, yuk. When times are slow Captains tend to mentor rather than rush and a lot of learning takes place as everyone is actually rested when they fly.
Enjoy the money now, take care of your health and be ready financially for when it gets slow. If you can take the schedule ACMI flying is great.
06-25-2022, 06:04 AM
#537
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Keep in mind things will eventually slow down in the freight business. When they do K4 will have long layovers. If you have some money in your pocket, long layovers are fantastic.
Many years ago I was a pretty new FO who was working with a Captain who believed in experiencing life. After a two day layover in Halle Germany one summer when things were slow, we went to a beach party on the River on a Friday. Got up the next morning had our very good free breakfast at the Dormero Hotel. Out to the Jet and over to JFK getting a 2 hour nap on the way. We arrive late afternoon on Saturday. Beautiful weather and cleared for the Carnassi VOR visual to the left. Hand flown out of 10,000. Had a super nice landing and as we roll out the Captain says, “this place isn’t very busy how about you taxi us to the gate”. As a new FO it was quite a rush. Customs clears us at the plane and we are on the way to the hotel.
Many years ago I was a pretty new FO who was working with a Captain who believed in experiencing life. After a two day layover in Halle Germany one summer when things were slow, we went to a beach party on the River on a Friday. Got up the next morning had our very good free breakfast at the Dormero Hotel. Out to the Jet and over to JFK getting a 2 hour nap on the way. We arrive late afternoon on Saturday. Beautiful weather and cleared for the Carnassi VOR visual to the left. Hand flown out of 10,000. Had a super nice landing and as we roll out the Captain says, “this place isn’t very busy how about you taxi us to the gate”. As a new FO it was quite a rush. Customs clears us at the plane and we are on the way to the hotel.
06-25-2022, 06:07 AM
#538
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06-25-2022, 07:30 AM
#540
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Ready, fire, aim if you want but I've been doing this at 5 airlines and for 34 years. Almost half of my airline time is as a first officer. At no place I have been have FO's taxied and I am fine with that practice. While exceedingly rare, if something bad happens while taxiing the plane I think the person signing the logbook should be the one driving it. There is no time for control transfer on the ground. It never bothered me as an FO that I didn't get to taxi. Now, if a check airman wants to let an FO do it and the company approves, I'm all for it. They get paid for those kinds of activities.
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