Kalitta Air (K4) Information
06-12-2022, 03:29 AM
#4131
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Hello everyone! New to APC and first time poster. I worked for USDOJ for just short of 20 years flying ISR and getting ready to retire. I’m sure I don’t have the time to get on K4 but maybe able to get on K2 with the help of an inside rec. My question is are people getting on K4 after serving the required 2 years with K2? I thought I saw earlier in the thread someone say that most everyone being hired is from the regionals and not K2. Any reason why? Seems like a logical progression from K2 to K4.
06-12-2022, 06:08 AM
#4132
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Hello everyone! New to APC and first time poster. I worked for USDOJ for just short of 20 years flying ISR and getting ready to retire. I’m sure I don’t have the time to get on K4 but maybe able to get on K2 with the help of an inside rec. My question is are people getting on K4 after serving the required 2 years with K2? I thought I saw earlier in the thread someone say that most everyone being hired is from the regionals and not K2. Any reason why? Seems like a logical progression from K2 to K4.
Last edited by efc4life; 06-12-2022 at 06:09 AM. Reason: Further clarification
06-12-2022, 08:53 AM
#4133
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Hello everyone! New to APC and first time poster. I worked for USDOJ for just short of 20 years flying ISR and getting ready to retire. I’m sure I don’t have the time to get on K4 but maybe able to get on K2 with the help of an inside rec. My question is are people getting on K4 after serving the required 2 years with K2? I thought I saw earlier in the thread someone say that most everyone being hired is from the regionals and not K2. Any reason why? Seems like a logical progression from K2 to K4.
I know lots of other places out there might sit will with ISR guys, ATI, ABX or Atlas. Don’t devalue yourself when you haven’t tried.
And yes. K2 is devaluing yourself.
06-12-2022, 12:18 PM
#4134
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With your service record and experience, it doesn’t hurt to apply to K4. The worse thing they can say is try K2, which I wouldn’t recommend.
I know lots of other places out there might sit will with ISR guys, ATI, ABX or Atlas. Don’t devalue yourself when you haven’t tried.
And yes. K2 is devaluing yourself.
I know lots of other places out there might sit will with ISR guys, ATI, ABX or Atlas. Don’t devalue yourself when you haven’t tried.
And yes. K2 is devaluing yourself.
06-12-2022, 12:51 PM
#4135
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With your service record and experience, it doesn’t hurt to apply to K4. The worse thing they can say is try K2, which I wouldn’t recommend.
I know lots of other places out there might sit will with ISR guys, ATI, ABX or Atlas. Don’t devalue yourself when you haven’t tried.
And yes. K2 is devaluing yourself.
I know lots of other places out there might sit will with ISR guys, ATI, ABX or Atlas. Don’t devalue yourself when you haven’t tried.
And yes. K2 is devaluing yourself.
If you wouldn’t mind PMing me what the issues are with K2, I’d appreciate it.
06-12-2022, 03:53 PM
#4136
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Understood. Thanks for the input. Just trying to manage my expectations. The thought of a 50 year old man going from a mere 1300 hrs PIC Turbine, mostly by way of a Caravan with a smattering of B350 and DHC-6, to the right seat of a 73, let alone a 747, seems unrealistically nuts to me, unheard of when I started flying; but I guess that is the crazy pilot hiring times we are in now. Not that I’m complaining. The intimidating part is going from a pure part 91/ public use flying to 121. Combine that with more complex aircraft makes for a steep learning curve. I’m confident that I can make the transition with some had work.
06-12-2022, 05:41 PM
#4137
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Movement from K2 to K4 is very infrequent. In my time here, I've flown with three K2 alumni total out of a pilot group of 700+. Management seems to view such a move as robbing Peter to pay Paul, or rather, robbing Doug to pay Connie. It's been a very persistent practice, despite several abortive attempts to set up a pipeline between the two. I wouldn't hold my breath for that to change - even folks who are fans of Kalitta leadership would not hesitate to describe them as "stubborn."
If K4 is your goal, apply to K4. You may be more competitive than you think. If you're *really* not competitive, go somewhere else and keep checking in. There are a lot of flying jobs that will get you here faster than K2.
If K4 is your goal, apply to K4. You may be more competitive than you think. If you're *really* not competitive, go somewhere else and keep checking in. There are a lot of flying jobs that will get you here faster than K2.
06-13-2022, 03:38 AM
#4138
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Thanks
Movement from K2 to K4 is very infrequent. In my time here, I've flown with three K2 alumni total out of a pilot group of 700+. Management seems to view such a move as robbing Peter to pay Paul, or rather, robbing Doug to pay Connie. It's been a very persistent practice, despite several abortive attempts to set up a pipeline between the two. I wouldn't hold my breath for that to change - even folks who are fans of Kalitta leadership would not hesitate to describe them as "stubborn."
If K4 is your goal, apply to K4. You may be more competitive than you think. If you're *really* not competitive, go somewhere else and keep checking in. There are a lot of flying jobs that will get you here faster than K2.
If K4 is your goal, apply to K4. You may be more competitive than you think. If you're *really* not competitive, go somewhere else and keep checking in. There are a lot of flying jobs that will get you here faster than K2.
06-13-2022, 03:40 AM
#4139
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Movement from K2 to K4 is very infrequent. In my time here, I've flown with three K2 alumni total out of a pilot group of 700+. Management seems to view such a move as robbing Peter to pay Paul, or rather, robbing Doug to pay Connie. It's been a very persistent practice, despite several abortive attempts to set up a pipeline between the two. I wouldn't hold my breath for that to change - even folks who are fans of Kalitta leadership would not hesitate to describe them as "stubborn."
If K4 is your goal, apply to K4. You may be more competitive than you think. If you're *really* not competitive, go somewhere else and keep checking in. There are a lot of flying jobs that will get you here faster than K2.
If K4 is your goal, apply to K4. You may be more competitive than you think. If you're *really* not competitive, go somewhere else and keep checking in. There are a lot of flying jobs that will get you here faster than K2.
06-13-2022, 01:30 PM
#4140
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Joined APC: May 2022
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How much are guys flying these days? I see MG is 64hrs, is that a realistic number or are you flying more/less?
Schedule wise, I understand it’s a 16 on 14 off rotation. Are schedules pretty set or are other options?
I’m interested in K4 for the schedule, type of flying, and home basing. Not super worried about making the most amount of money, more interested in living near family vs commuting for a career. Currently a regional captain and not thrilled with the mainline options in PHX.
What are some pros and cons of making a move to K4 for a regional guy?
Thanks!
Schedule wise, I understand it’s a 16 on 14 off rotation. Are schedules pretty set or are other options?
I’m interested in K4 for the schedule, type of flying, and home basing. Not super worried about making the most amount of money, more interested in living near family vs commuting for a career. Currently a regional captain and not thrilled with the mainline options in PHX.
What are some pros and cons of making a move to K4 for a regional guy?
Thanks!
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