Kalitta Air (K4) Information
03-24-2022, 08:56 AM
#4031
VHR-very happily retired
Joined APC: Aug 2007
Position: Retired
Posts: 1,419
I certainly won’t argue with your experiences. My longest days have been the incheon - china - anchorage flying which works out to about 18 hrs of duty most of the time and that is PLENTY long for anyone. I haven’t come closer than that to 24 since the days of the Afghanistan runs. I haven’t been outside of the China vortex for God knows how long….so I’m probably unaware of what the other flying even entails these days. I also don’t listen to any conference calls…..but even if I did I wouldn’t let one guys snarky attitude bother me. We all know that Connie and PS have been b@stards to deal with since day 1. People are casting their votes on CBA 2021 right now in a real way. They can reap what they sow for that piece of crap.
03-27-2022, 01:04 PM
#4032
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Joined APC: Jan 2015
Posts: 175
Not only that. They were critical of people that insisted they should push for the 20 hr day. Insisting that the only reason that 24hr day existed was to conduct flights into and out of Afghanistan therefore essential to their business model. Not something to be used to undercut the competitions operational tempo.
03-28-2022, 12:29 PM
#4033
VHR-very happily retired
Joined APC: Aug 2007
Position: Retired
Posts: 1,419
Not only that. They were critical of people that insisted they should push for the 20 hr day. Insisting that the only reason that 24hr day existed was to conduct flights into and out of Afghanistan therefore essential to their business model. Not something to be used to undercut the competitions operational tempo.
03-28-2022, 05:32 PM
#4034
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Joined APC: Sep 2014
Posts: 728
While your statement is completely true it is a bit out of context. It had a lot to do with how 1224 at the time was handling the situation. If someone has an interest they should look at the posts of the time to get the whole picture. Now, why it survived this last contract is something not so clear.
It's pretty much that simple.
03-28-2022, 06:10 PM
#4035
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Joined APC: Apr 2016
Posts: 847
Did your recent contract “violate” any of your supposed 1224 “standards”? Jeezus. Well we’re out of your hair now. But I bet the Delta guys are super ****ed that they have to pattern bargain against us ….right?
03-28-2022, 10:53 PM
#4036
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Joined APC: Sep 2014
Posts: 728
Nevertheless, the larger issue with Kalitta they were in Sec 6 negotiations. And no matter how much Atlas fought, kicked and screamed about it, the company forced us into arbitration, which in NOT, Sec 6.
So, when a court imposes a 3rd party to determine working conditions, well, you take what you get. The good news is we were actually able to able to negotiate an "Hours of Service" article that is damn close to FDX. More evidence that if you fight back hard you'll get smacked around in return but you might actually land a satisfying punch every now and then.
03-31-2022, 07:02 AM
#4038
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Joined APC: Mar 2011
Position: CA 757/767
Posts: 109
My opinion wasn’t formed from listing to a cranky pilot. My opinion is formed from listening to middle managers in various operational sectors of the company who are quite distraught over what has happened. Unfortunately the pain is real. I am happy to see that some crew members are able to escape the chaos like you have because the money is better than ever. Stay safe.
I did not have the opportunity to listen to the conference call from our DO yesterday, but I heard he told everyone to quit, says everyone else is hiring. Does someone know if this is accurate?
03-31-2022, 08:02 AM
#4039
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Joined APC: Apr 2016
Posts: 847
Thats a bit dramatic and out of context. There was one takeaway and that is we have pay protections in place now for any OT you might choose to do. Otherwise business as usual on the line at K4.
03-31-2022, 03:41 PM
#4040
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Joined APC: Mar 2011
Position: CA 757/767
Posts: 109
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