goinaround

Oh whatever. It’s the same company it was two years ago when everybody was so grateful and happy to be working here. But when the doors of opportunity at every single carrier are flung wide open with a clean welcome mat with your name embroidered on it are laid before you…..folks are gonna move. Sounds like you should be one of them.

maxjet

I agree 100% with your assessment. Imagine that! When you create an environment where even company management supporters like me see a reason for people to leave? Sad, just sad. When I was at K4 for 10 years, I considered it the best kept secret in aviation. Considering we were being paid only 1/2 of what other crews while working more days, was saying a lot. I couldn’t be more disappointed in senior management at this point. I am so glad I retired because at this point my soul would be broken.

newb2

Unfortunately it is not the same company. Two years ago, management did not speak to us as though we are the enemy, but the condescending attitude is apparent every day and has become pervasive. Two years ago, our scheduling department did not try and create a maximum duty day every time we go out to fly. For those that do not know, the max duty day is 24 hours, and can be extended to 26 hours with the crewmembers concurrence. Today the goal is to make our duty day as close to 24 hours as possible, this is no longer a maximum duty period it has become a goal. Your opinion is your opinion and you of course are entitled to it, but the reality is this is not the same company, and the way we are treated as professional airline pilots is atrocious. So if you tell me the problem is me, perhaps you are one of the individuals that routinely extend your duty period to the 26 hour limit. I don’t know about most of the pilots that now work here, but I did not become an airline pilot to be used and abused.

goinaround

I certainly won’t argue with your experiences. My longest days have been the incheon - china - anchorage flying which works out to about 18 hrs of duty most of the time and that is PLENTY long for anyone. I haven’t come closer than that to 24 since the days of the Afghanistan runs. I haven’t been outside of the China vortex for God knows how long….so I’m probably unaware of what the other flying even entails these days. I also don’t listen to any conference calls…..but even if I did I wouldn’t let one guys snarky attitude bother me. We all know that Connie and PS have been b@stards to deal with since day 1. People are casting their votes on CBA 2021 right now in a real way. They can reap what they sow for that piece of crap.

RyeMex

Maybe I’m wrong, but didn’t you guys actively fight to keep a 24 hour duty day a couple of CBAs ago? Back when IBT 1224 was trying to get it reduced to 20?

dera

What kind of premium pay you trigger when you go to 24 hour duty day?

goinaround

ahhhh….yup. For govt contracts I think it was.

Locke

nada. You’re only paid for your flight time, so if it took you 24 hours to log 12 hours of flight you are paid 12. Now get to bed because it’ll be min rest and do it again.

zerozero

That was the primary reason they left 1224 and went with ALPA.

The original duty day was 30 hours, and seen as "necessary" so they could operate thru Afghanistan without staying in a tent. They could have persuaded the company to take rest in Dubai, for example, but chose instead to reduce to max 24 hours.

It's true, 1224 pushed for 20 hours as a "standard" across their carriers.

Guard

we did all our Bagram and Balad urns within 24 hours (usually about 18) out of Ramstien and Rota, why did you all need 30 hrs?