Kalitta Air (K4) Information
09-06-2021, 12:34 PM
#3821
New Hire
Joined APC: Feb 2008
Posts: 5
Just curious what are the average monthly hrs being flown lately by FO's on the 747 and 777 (more than the 64hr min guarantee I'm guessing).
Longer term, (after Connie hands the reigns to Doug) what are some guesses as to K4's future (e.g. growth or potential sale/takeover?). Obviously nobody has a crystal ball but I'm trying to paint a general picture of future income and stability, as much as one can in this business...
Thanks
Longer term, (after Connie hands the reigns to Doug) what are some guesses as to K4's future (e.g. growth or potential sale/takeover?). Obviously nobody has a crystal ball but I'm trying to paint a general picture of future income and stability, as much as one can in this business...
Thanks
09-07-2021, 09:59 AM
#3822
VHR-very happily retired
Joined APC: Aug 2007
Position: Retired
Posts: 1,419
Just curious what are the average monthly hrs being flown lately by FO's on the 747 and 777 (more than the 64hr min guarantee I'm guessing).
Longer term, (after Connie hands the reigns to Doug) what are some guesses as to K4's future (e.g. growth or potential sale/takeover?). Obviously nobody has a crystal ball but I'm trying to paint a general picture of future income and stability, as much as one can in this business...
Thanks
Longer term, (after Connie hands the reigns to Doug) what are some guesses as to K4's future (e.g. growth or potential sale/takeover?). Obviously nobody has a crystal ball but I'm trying to paint a general picture of future income and stability, as much as one can in this business...
Thanks
09-07-2021, 03:07 PM
#3825
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Jan 2007
Posts: 754
09-07-2021, 03:37 PM
#3826
VHR-very happily retired
Joined APC: Aug 2007
Position: Retired
Posts: 1,419
The one thing you have not factored in in your opinion is Connie. This is Connie’s legacy. He wants it around for a long time after he is gone. No routes, no real value in the used aircraft. Training dept. and Oscoda Maintenance are not part of Kalitta Air. Kalitta Air is far more profitable when run as an airline. Without the synergy it is of no real value. That’s why it will continue. It was set up that way on purpose.
09-09-2021, 10:57 AM
#3828
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Joined APC: Feb 2007
Posts: 2,539
So I'm just an outside observer, but given how AAWW has managed labor relations over the last 10-15 years, buying an airline that proves that one can be profitable with that kind of pay structure would seem to cut against the arguments that AAWW management has been trying to make during their current ongoing contract kerfuffle.
That said, when their latest arbitrated contract comes out (any day now?) that could make the above argument a moot point. Certainly the intel that's come out about attrition at Atlas makes it an interesting conversation.
That said, when their latest arbitrated contract comes out (any day now?) that could make the above argument a moot point. Certainly the intel that's come out about attrition at Atlas makes it an interesting conversation.
09-09-2021, 02:05 PM
#3829
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Joined APC: Apr 2015
Posts: 2,525
So I'm just an outside observer, but given how AAWW has managed labor relations over the last 10-15 years, buying an airline that proves that one can be profitable with that kind of pay structure would seem to cut against the arguments that AAWW management has been trying to make during their current ongoing contract kerfuffle.
That said, when their latest arbitrated contract comes out (any day now?) that could make the above argument a moot point. Certainly the intel that's come out about attrition at Atlas makes it an interesting conversation.
That said, when their latest arbitrated contract comes out (any day now?) that could make the above argument a moot point. Certainly the intel that's come out about attrition at Atlas makes it an interesting conversation.
09-09-2021, 02:58 PM
#3830
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Joined APC: Mar 2013
Posts: 393
The current language only includes amalgamation if the acquired carrier is represented by the same Union. K4 is ALPA. That wouldn’t serve managements interest in another forced amalgamation/arbitration. ABX is the only cargo airline that comes to mind right away that is IBT.
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