Any idea if they'll hire furloughed guys?

They have in the past. Many of the same people are still here so it's likely they will.

Depends. Legacy or LCC probably not. Regionals, Expats returning home, and or charters? Yeah I can see them hiring them.

My take is.. if you the person is a legacy pilot.. or JetBlue... etc... probably not. While we have hired legacy guys in the past MOST returned at some point... We had many United guys.. all went back.. Many AA/TWA guys all went back except one... ATA guys didnt have a place to go back to most stayed. Its a different place than it was when they hired all of that "experience"... it was needed for insurance reasons and other things... this time around they will be very very picky I suspect and the hire numbers are going to be LOW this year.. 50.. maybe... and thats a BIG maybe.

I thought I heard 60? And it's a maybe?

We had been expecting 2 new triples in the second half, and now it’s down to one, with one moved to next year. That will take a bite out of newhire numbers.


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The forecast from last month was estimating October/November for both, but I'm assuming you have more up-to-date information. Makes sense since Boeing shut down production for a while.

It wasn't Boeing fault for the delay. It was which company gets the November DHL bird. Apparently another company thought they were getting the November bird.

IIRC, our DO on the last call said we swapped deliveries for staffing issues. The consensus on the line is sim availability is terrible for the 777. This also delays new hire classes as well.

Delta will have plenty of time available soon 😬.