Kalitta Air (K4) Information
03-12-2020, 04:10 PM
#2981
Line Holder
Joined APC: Jul 2018
Posts: 85
This situation we are facing is unprecedented. This isn't a normal moderately paced slide into a recession. This is reactionary decision making based on a declared Pandemic. It doesn't matter how bad the virus is or actually isn't, the effects on travel and the global economy is 100% real and getting worse almost every hour. It's not likely anyone who got the "you're in the pool" call will see class for months if not until next year or until after a vaccine is out. Airfreight won't move if no one has money to buy anything and DoD/State Department stuff won't be sustained at its current levels either, there's no reason it would. K4 will be very lucky if they don't furlough before this is all over.
Perhaps the context of "no intention to hire" was an en route change. Meaning, as stated above they probably did want to hire everyone when the calls to schedule interviews went out, but due to changes, they could only take one or two or a few. So both views are valid.
121 pax getting hit hard, 135 is starting to get hit with Flexjet cancelling classes and a report just out WheelsUp is down to 60 flights a day. My feeling is we'll see new hire classes stop pretty much everywhere. These companies won't want to run the chance of getting sued if a new-hire gives an instructor the bug then he takes it home and kills his mother-in-law. The lawyers are driving things now guys not that they always haven't. It's a big liability game we are seeing play out.
Short of a miraculous fall off of cases within the next 30 days I think its headed for bad territory and K4 will not be immune. Tearing at each other isn't helping. Everyone on the thread is stating positions of opinion and sometimes, rumors turn out to be true.
03-12-2020, 04:12 PM
#2982
7.27%
Joined APC: Feb 2006
Position: Boeing
Posts: 543
Carry on the rumor mill...
03-12-2020, 05:09 PM
#2983
On Reserve
Joined APC: Jun 2013
Position: B737
Posts: 16
Only one of the two K2 guys got it. My best guess is it boiled down to the sim eval. It was pretty impossible to bust the HR portion, just be honest, conversational, and sell them a little that you’d be a tolerable dude to fly with on a long line. The sim was pitchy and easy to get away from you if you didn’t really stay with it. All the looks on all the faces that returned from that portion were of despair. One thing I’ll mention, they stressed that they were looking for crm, they understand you’ve never flown a 747 before. I remember several “hints” like “Glideslope” when I was losing it, they want to hear a response like “correcting”. It was a fun, personable interview class, I’m sorry more guys didn’t get it.
03-12-2020, 05:19 PM
#2984
Line Holder
Joined APC: Nov 2015
Posts: 81
Hearing rumors they already knew who they were going to hire before anyone showed up. I know a person that bought round trip tickets to interview, only to have the HR portion be a couple of questions and go home. If true, this is despicable behavior. Just tell the damn truth, cancel the interview a second time. Truth is always the best route.
Sorry to say it, but I think theres a reason the company is going back to doing the FTD/SIM evals. And that might be a reason why the interview success rate has dropped.
03-12-2020, 09:56 PM
#2985
Line Holder
Joined APC: Apr 2014
Posts: 27
Only one of the two K2 guys got it. My best guess is it boiled down to the sim eval. It was pretty impossible to bust the HR portion, just be honest, conversational, and sell them a little that you’d be a tolerable dude to fly with on a long line. The sim was pitchy and easy to get away from you if you didn’t really stay with it. All the looks on all the faces that returned from that portion were of despair. One thing I’ll mention, they stressed that they were looking for crm, they understand you’ve never flown a 747 before. I remember several “hints” like “Glideslope” when I was losing it, they want to hear a response like “correcting”. It was a fun, personable interview class, I’m sorry more guys didn’t get it.
edit: wait, you were across from me, black hair slicked back...you were across the room from me.. sry I don’t remember your name.
03-12-2020, 10:04 PM
#2986
Line Holder
Joined APC: Apr 2014
Posts: 27
Only one of the two K2 guys got it. My best guess is it boiled down to the sim eval. It was pretty impossible to bust the HR portion, just be honest, conversational, and sell them a little that you’d be a tolerable dude to fly with on a long line. The sim was pitchy and easy to get away from you if you didn’t really stay with it. All the looks on all the faces that returned from that portion were of despair. One thing I’ll mention, they stressed that they were looking for crm, they understand you’ve never flown a 747 before. I remember several “hints” like “Glideslope” when I was losing it, they want to hear a response like “correcting”. It was a fun, personable interview class, I’m sorry more guys didn’t get it.
03-12-2020, 10:40 PM
#2987
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Mar 2012
Position: Gear Slinger
Posts: 709
I think he may feel like K4's integrity may be getting attacked (just a guess, no offense intended). Being its a good company with happy pilots I can understand but your question is valid. I don't think anyone, not at K4 or any other air carrier cert holder has a clue what they are gonna do right now. This virus thing has the industry perched on a precipice of a full-on melt down. Stuff is getting real ugly really fast. Many companies are gonna start doing some strange things, normal behavior ins't applicable right now and decisions are being made on the fly by people who may not normally dip their hands into the hiring process.
This situation we are facing is unprecedented. This isn't a normal moderately paced slide into a recession. This is reactionary decision making based on a declared Pandemic. It doesn't matter how bad the virus is or actually isn't, the effects on travel and the global economy is 100% real and getting worse almost every hour. It's not likely anyone who got the "you're in the pool" call will see class for months if not until next year or until after a vaccine is out. Airfreight won't move if no one has money to buy anything and DoD/State Department stuff won't be sustained at its current levels either, there's no reason it would. K4 will be very lucky if they don't furlough before this is all over.
Perhaps the context of "no intention to hire" was an en route change. Meaning, as stated above they probably did want to hire everyone when the calls to schedule interviews went out, but due to changes, they could only take one or two or a few. So both views are valid.
121 pax getting hit hard, 135 is starting to get hit with Flexjet cancelling classes and a report just out WheelsUp is down to 60 flights a day. My feeling is we'll see new hire classes stop pretty much everywhere. These companies won't want to run the chance of getting sued if a new-hire gives an instructor the bug then he takes it home and kills his mother-in-law. The lawyers are driving things now guys not that they always haven't. It's a big liability game we are seeing play out.
Short of a miraculous fall off of cases within the next 30 days I think its headed for bad territory and K4 will not be immune. Tearing at each other isn't helping. Everyone on the thread is stating positions of opinion and sometimes, rumors turn out to be true.
This situation we are facing is unprecedented. This isn't a normal moderately paced slide into a recession. This is reactionary decision making based on a declared Pandemic. It doesn't matter how bad the virus is or actually isn't, the effects on travel and the global economy is 100% real and getting worse almost every hour. It's not likely anyone who got the "you're in the pool" call will see class for months if not until next year or until after a vaccine is out. Airfreight won't move if no one has money to buy anything and DoD/State Department stuff won't be sustained at its current levels either, there's no reason it would. K4 will be very lucky if they don't furlough before this is all over.
Perhaps the context of "no intention to hire" was an en route change. Meaning, as stated above they probably did want to hire everyone when the calls to schedule interviews went out, but due to changes, they could only take one or two or a few. So both views are valid.
121 pax getting hit hard, 135 is starting to get hit with Flexjet cancelling classes and a report just out WheelsUp is down to 60 flights a day. My feeling is we'll see new hire classes stop pretty much everywhere. These companies won't want to run the chance of getting sued if a new-hire gives an instructor the bug then he takes it home and kills his mother-in-law. The lawyers are driving things now guys not that they always haven't. It's a big liability game we are seeing play out.
Short of a miraculous fall off of cases within the next 30 days I think its headed for bad territory and K4 will not be immune. Tearing at each other isn't helping. Everyone on the thread is stating positions of opinion and sometimes, rumors turn out to be true.
I want to say "look we are hiring!" But we all know airlines hire til the day they furlough, so who know...
03-13-2020, 09:49 PM
#2988
New Hire
Joined APC: Mar 2020
Posts: 6
To all the K4 cheerleaders on APC:
What's the deal with the upgrade on the 777? Are the failures that high?
How about the those that recommend the company to others? Is SouthernAir the 777 type rating school these days or is it Kalitta? Heard they're really short handed on the 777...thus due to many failures as well as the resignation of alot of guys hired within the past year. Are things really that bad...?
Where has ALPA been on APC lately? Any updates are greatly appreciated.
What's the deal with the upgrade on the 777? Are the failures that high?
How about the those that recommend the company to others? Is SouthernAir the 777 type rating school these days or is it Kalitta? Heard they're really short handed on the 777...thus due to many failures as well as the resignation of alot of guys hired within the past year. Are things really that bad...?
Where has ALPA been on APC lately? Any updates are greatly appreciated.
03-13-2020, 09:54 PM
#2989
New Hire
Joined APC: Mar 2020
Posts: 6
hey bud, Jared here, I was toward the front left of the class the big guy, possibly loud and obnoxious 😂😂😂. Jk.. well, at least I hope I’m kidding 😂😂. Anyway, i was the very last one in the FTD, I flew it pretty decent, the two sim guys said I was the only one to safely land on 22L that day.. I flew the FTD pretty well despite having zero Boeing glass time.. so I kinda doubt it was based on the FTD... there was definitely something else at play here the reason the majority of us didn’t get hired... were you the guy sitting next to me? Send me a message with your name, id love to add u on Facebook, u seemed like a really nice guy!
edit: wait, you were across from me, black hair slicked back...you were across the room from me.. sry I don’t remember your name.
edit: wait, you were across from me, black hair slicked back...you were across the room from me.. sry I don’t remember your name.
Sorry to hear of this, you deserve better. Keep pressing on and eventually you'll land on your feet.
03-13-2020, 10:03 PM
#2990
New Hire
Joined APC: Mar 2020
Posts: 6
Company put out a bid yesterday for 20 CA & 40 FO on the 777. I guess if they can't fill internally then those seats will come from outside.
As mentioned it's not a case of hiring people, it's getting them through initial and IOE that's causing the backlog. There is a very strong rumor that DHL offered us more 777 airframes above the 4 coming at short notice and the company said they couldn't right now due to training.
As mentioned it's not a case of hiring people, it's getting them through initial and IOE that's causing the backlog. There is a very strong rumor that DHL offered us more 777 airframes above the 4 coming at short notice and the company said they couldn't right now due to training.
Why is the backlog so large?
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