I can't recommend JetBlue at this time
04-18-2017, 03:18 PM
#371
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Oct 2012
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Funny story I flew with an FO hat was such a company guy and happy with everything that even I was like ***.
04-18-2017, 03:46 PM
#372
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Joined APC: May 2013
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man we get it you're totally disenfranchised with bluejet. You deserve it... We all do. This place is rather unique in more ways than one, and one of them is we're well behind the curve in the contract dept.
Do what you gotta do man. get out or get on board and help out. Someone with your drive would be valuable on a committee. but Attacking the guys who have rose colored glasses and constantly *****ing about it does nothing to further the position of your union and frankly just kinda makes you look foolish. Nothing personal, I know, I've pushed that ball up hill for years.
Jetblue or any other company for that matter will never willingly give you anything... That's not the way it happened at DAL FDX SWA or anywhere else. you're union will get you the best they can with the elected membership that's negotiating on your behalf. Patience is a virtue many of us have run out of, but there's not a timeline for this.
You say youre not miserable, but every single post you post is misery. Believe me, we all get it. Take a step back... breathe... have a beer. get laid. work isn't the end all be all. Contract will come. keep your panties on or find a new party. I say that while biting my lip because there's nothing worse than "well if you don't like it leave..." that's a load of horse S.
On that note, bourbon.
Do what you gotta do man. get out or get on board and help out. Someone with your drive would be valuable on a committee. but Attacking the guys who have rose colored glasses and constantly *****ing about it does nothing to further the position of your union and frankly just kinda makes you look foolish. Nothing personal, I know, I've pushed that ball up hill for years.
Jetblue or any other company for that matter will never willingly give you anything... That's not the way it happened at DAL FDX SWA or anywhere else. you're union will get you the best they can with the elected membership that's negotiating on your behalf. Patience is a virtue many of us have run out of, but there's not a timeline for this.
You say youre not miserable, but every single post you post is misery. Believe me, we all get it. Take a step back... breathe... have a beer. get laid. work isn't the end all be all. Contract will come. keep your panties on or find a new party. I say that while biting my lip because there's nothing worse than "well if you don't like it leave..." that's a load of horse S.
On that note, bourbon.
Doubt I'll hear from ya...
04-18-2017, 04:58 PM
#376
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04-18-2017, 05:26 PM
#377
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Ok ok ok I'm 
getting over myself! It wasn't an attack. Reeeead it. Slowly. Like I said... settle breath relax man. We all see your point. We get it.
Can you see anyone else's piont? Or do you just need to vent and get sympathy and a high five? You do see we're on your side right? You've got a lot of "passion" blewjet loves that stuff. Seriously. We could use you on a committee.
Damnit... should not post after 4 bourbons. I'm out. Good lick
getting over myself! It wasn't an attack. Reeeead it. Slowly. Like I said... settle breath relax man. We all see your point. We get it. Can you see anyone else's piont? Or do you just need to vent and get sympathy and a high five? You do see we're on your side right? You've got a lot of "passion" blewjet loves that stuff. Seriously. We could use you on a committee.
Damnit... should not post after 4 bourbons. I'm out. Good lick
Pessimism isnt misery- Its bridled hope, Coolhand.
I realize that a new CBA would mend many fences, but Ill ask, for the 3rd time:
What motivation, besides a severe staffing issue, does B6 have to provide an industry standard or leading CBA?
I ask, because I keep hearing that attrition is below expectation and I assume that B6 will only develop a sense of urgency when they cant staff the airline.
I hope that realistic point is not offensive to any one, and Ill use positive language in the future for the more delicate among us
04-18-2017, 09:17 PM
#378
The REAL Bluedriver
Joined APC: Sep 2011
Position: Airbus Capt
Posts: 6,920
I HAVE to ask, what are you so happy about Joe and Say?
#keepsgettingbetter
04-18-2017, 10:00 PM
#379
Covfefe
Joined APC: Jun 2015
Posts: 3,001
Man- I knew it- You are never this abrasive when sober. I have always read your posts with interest and that initial rant from you seemed out of character. I, on the other hand, am always an a55hle and actually mellow with booze.
Pessimism isnt misery- Its bridled hope, Coolhand.
I realize that a new CBA would mend many fences, but Ill ask, for the 3rd time:
What motivation, besides a severe staffing issue, does B6 have to provide an industry standard or leading CBA?
I ask, because I keep hearing that attrition is below expectation and I assume that B6 will only develop a sense of urgency when they cant staff the airline.
I hope that realistic point is not offensive to any one, and Ill use positive language in the future for the more delicate among us
Pessimism isnt misery- Its bridled hope, Coolhand.
I realize that a new CBA would mend many fences, but Ill ask, for the 3rd time:
What motivation, besides a severe staffing issue, does B6 have to provide an industry standard or leading CBA?
I ask, because I keep hearing that attrition is below expectation and I assume that B6 will only develop a sense of urgency when they cant staff the airline.
I hope that realistic point is not offensive to any one, and Ill use positive language in the future for the more delicate among us
The line in the sand was drawn. They know it's coming, which imo is why they keep doing that stuff. If we don't have an AIP/TA by the end of the year, I'll change my tune. In the meantime, I'll fly SOP, wear a lanyard, etc. I think JetBlue has a lot more to lose than we do if they don't give us an industry standard/leading contract. It will cost them a lot of new recruiting, training, and 37 new gateway programs to fill the seats of us who bail when it appears like they aren't playing ball.
04-18-2017, 10:50 PM
#380
The REAL Bluedriver
Joined APC: Sep 2011
Position: Airbus Capt
Posts: 6,920
What motivation did DL have to bring those pay rates plus profit sharing in their last contract? Why didn't they drag out their negotiations any longer? Not like they have a shortage of applicants or were at risk for having people bail. They wanted to avoid labor unrest, avoid having pilots who flew extra by the book with 3 motors on for taxi, and Wall Street hates uncertainty/unknowns (more than they hate higher labor costs). They had a mostly unified pilot group (at least enough for management to know that it had to be truly industry leading with minimal gives or it would be shot down). Our situation isn't that different, except we have even more potential leverage with the pilot shortage (if we don't get a good contract) that will affect the company and brand, not to mention the labor unrest, picketing, etc. that will further be detrimental to the JB image that JB hasn't really experienced yet. I'm cautiously optimistic, despite the unilateral garbage management has done lately.
The line in the sand was drawn. They know it's coming, which imo is why they keep doing that stuff. If we don't have an AIP/TA by the end of the year, I'll change my tune. In the meantime, I'll fly SOP, wear a lanyard, etc. I think JetBlue has a lot more to lose than we do if they don't give us an industry standard/leading contract. It will cost them a lot of new recruiting, training, and 37 new gateway programs to fill the seats of us who bail when it appears like they aren't playing ball.
The line in the sand was drawn. They know it's coming, which imo is why they keep doing that stuff. If we don't have an AIP/TA by the end of the year, I'll change my tune. In the meantime, I'll fly SOP, wear a lanyard, etc. I think JetBlue has a lot more to lose than we do if they don't give us an industry standard/leading contract. It will cost them a lot of new recruiting, training, and 37 new gateway programs to fill the seats of us who bail when it appears like they aren't playing ball.
Spirit and Frontier are negotiating in the same environment as us with even lower pay rates. They are NOT making good progress... Hope you are right, but JB has been proving you wrong for years.
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